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The purpose of education is development of the person

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Started: 4/5/2013 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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ariasv3

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The purpose of education is development of the person because when a person is taught, they can associate their knowledge with everything else. In order to have a good job or to do the simplest thing you have to have some type of education. Like stated by Hirsh regarding education, in The Decline of Literate Knowledge. "Why is literacy so important in the modern world? Some of the reasons, like the need to fill to forms or get a good job, are obvious that they needn"t be discussed. But the chief reason is broader. The complex undertakings of modern life depend on the cooperation of many people with different specialties in different places. Where communications fail, so do the undertakings" (1.4). Different people have knowledge about different things depending on what they study which makes the world better.
anais_matos

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You stated that "The purpose of education is development of the person because when a person is taught, they can associate their knowledge with everything else". This would be true if the education system wasn't trying to turn humans into robots. Paolo Freire stated in the Pedagogy of the Oppressed, "Education thus becomes an act of depositing, in which the students are the depositories and the teacher is the depositor. Instead of communicating, the teacher issues communiqu"s and makes deposits which the students patiently receive, memorize, and repeat." At school, the things we are "taught" does not helps us develop because we in fact aren't being taught anything, we are memorizing things and because of that, we have knowledge of nothing and how can we develop if we no nothing.
Debate Round No. 1
ariasv3

Pro

You said that the education system is trying to turn humans into robots, but how can this be true if we are still seeing till this day the development of the person through education. A person goes to school to learn and share what they know with other people, to create new inventions and help the world progress. You also said in your argument that "at school, the things we are "taught" does not help us develop because we are in fact aren"t being taught anything"no nothing." With this being said, how do back up this information because in the Pedagogy of the Oppressed, Freire also stated "Yet only through communication can human life hold meaning. The teacher"s thinking is authenticated only by the authenticity of the student"s thinking. The teacher cannot think for his students, nor can he impose his thought on them. Authentic thinking, thinking that is concerned about reality, does not take place in ivory tower isolation, but only in communication. If it is true that thought has meaning only when generated by action upon the world, the subordination of students to teachers becomes impossible" (3.7). This is basically saying that in order to learn one must think for themselves. The teacher is responsible for teaching and the student must captivate the ideas being taught and think about them in order to interpret them and share them with the world.
anais_matos

Con

You said ""we are still seeing till this day the development of the person through education". According to Hirsch "Recently, top executives of some large U.S. companies, including CBS and Exxon, met to discuss the fact that their younger middle-level executives could no longer communicate their ideas effectively in speech or writing." This clearly shows that people are in fact not learning or developing well enough to meet the standards of top U.S. companies. Due to the fact that education is not helping people develop, they aren't able to communicate well. You also stated that "A person goes to school to learn and share what they know with other people"". How are people going to share what they know when they aren't able to communicate well because they are taught to "receive, memorize and repeat"?
Debate Round No. 2
ariasv3

Pro

"It follows logically from the banking notion of consciousness that the educator"s role is to regulate the way the world "enters into" the students. His task is to organize a process which already occurs spontaneously, to "fill" the students by making deposits of information which he considers to constitute true knowledge. And since men "receive" the world as passive entities, education should make them more passive still, and adapt them to the world. The educated man is the adapted man, because he is better "fit" for the world. Translated into practice, this concept is well suited to the oppressor, whose tranquility rests on how well men fit the world the oppressors have created, and how little they question it" (3.4). Here Freire is saying that through the banking teaching method, the teacher"s role is to teach students in a certain way. From learning this way, the student is more adapt to the world. And the student that is educated is the one who is best fit to live in the world. So education is the key to living. In your last argument you just stated that some of the top companies find that people now are not well educated for the job, but this doesn"t mean those are the only jobs there are. Obviously a person"s capability of learning varies, some might be good at one thing others at other things. Why are we still going to school? As a fact everyone still needs to be educated to develop what they are good at or to some extent have knowledge. Even if the "receive, memorize and repeat" method plays a role, at least the person will remember a good percent of it that will, "repeat", share their knowledge with others.
anais_matos

Con

As stated, you quoted Freire when he said "The educated man is the adapted man, because he is better "fit" for the world. Translated into practice, this concept is well suited to the purposes of the oppressors, whose tranquility rests on how well men fit the world the oppressors have created and how little they question it". These "educated" men are only fit for the world because they have been "educated" to comply with the oppressors demands in order for the oppressors to stay on top, and the oppressed don"t question it because they have been taught one thing and that is to be quiet and follow orders. In order for education to help us develop, we must learn skills that will help us understand the world. Hirsch stated "Narrow vocational training in one state of a technology will not enable a person to read manuals that explain new developments in the same technology. In modern life we need general knowledge that enables us to deal with new ideas, events, and challenges." We need to have more knowledge about things not just one certain thing and by doing so, we will be able to develop. You stated that "Even if the "receive, memorize and repeat" method plays a role, at least the person will remember a good percent of it that will, "repeat", share their knowledge with others". When you repeat or memorize something, it does not actually mean that you know the meaning of what you are repeating.
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