The question of God's existence is a scientific question.
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In brief, religious arguments and faith based arguments should be kept out of the science class room while simultaneously the question of God existence should be looked through a scientific lens.
In order to know if it is a scientific question, first you must know what classifies as a scientific question.
This is what classifies as a scientific question:
1: Does it have a real answer (meaning the question is not some paradox)
2: Can it be tested? (Through the scientific method)
3: Can it be proven wrong?
4: What kind of data can you collect
I will ask the question "Does God exist?" In order to see if it can fit into these questions
1: Does have a real answer
Yes, it does, you can come to a real conclusion if you are able to test this question.
2: Can it be tested
No, the existence of God cannot be tested, as classified in Abrahamic Theism is a being that is "Not-physical" (Spiritual), therefore, cannot be studded with physical tools and measurements. There is no way to test measure or see God.
3: Can it be proven wrong?
No, saying "God does not exists" is an irrational conclusion, because there is no way to test it, therefore, no way to prove wrong, just as the statement "God does exist" is an irrational statement because there is no way for humans of the physical plane to study a claimed to be Spiritual being. It is an unfalisifiable statement.
What kind of data can you collect?
Again, since you cannot test a being that is claimed to be Spiritual, there is no way to measure, or test the existence of God, therefore, there is no data to collect.
"Does God exist" is a question that should not be asked with an objective answer, since no one, even believers like myself, are entirely sure that God exists, they simply believe him to exist, which is why the question "Does God exist" is not the right question to ask, because the answer to that question must be absolute, and there is no way to apply an absolute to what is unknown by its very nature. The right question to ask is "Is the belief in God rational", because the question has a tone of individualism, which is what Abrahamic Theism is focused on.
You could label a disease as spiritual in cause, but science often reveals the disease is caused by a pathogen. In fact, science has made great leaps and bounds over many so called spiritual or faith based fields.
Next, lets assume for a second that God is corporal in nature. Just as diseases were labeled spiritual, but yet had a physical presence in the form of microorganisms. Well, how would we look for any being with a physical form, lets say unicorns for example?
Well, we would look everywhere. Although we can't prove that unicorns don't exist, we can say we looked in locations x, y, and z and found no unicorns. This adds incremental evidence that unicorns don't exist. Just looking in your basement doesn't help much, but if seven billion people look in their basement and find no unicorns, this evidence adds up quickly.
Alright, how about Heaven, Hell, angels, demons, and so forth? Surely, they must have some sort of physical presence, despite what a spiritual person may claim. Well, we do the exact same search we did for God and unicorns.
Then, science looks at how humans got here, Abiogenesis and evolution, and find contradictory evidence between many religious beliefs. Science doesn't stop there, next scientists look at the big bang theory, multiverse theory, and evolutionary psychology. Soon we have a pretty good idea scientifically of why humans belief in God in the first place and how the universe was created.
Yes, absolutely this is a scientific question, we should look for evidence of God existing and explain just how little evidence there is to students. We may even find aliens who claim "yo we helped evolution along." Yet, the best way to find these aliens is through science. Even if the aliens don't exist, we can still say we tried methods of communication A, B, and C, yet no aliens responded.
This is a long winded answer to your question "2: Can it be tested
No, the existence of God cannot be tested, as classified in Abrahamic Theism is a being that is "Not-physical" (Spiritual), therefore, cannot be studded with physical tools and measurements. There is no way to test measure or see God."
My answer is if God exists, God may have a physical presence. The best way to find out if God has a physical presence is science.
"Alright, how about Heaven, Hell, angels, demons, and so forth? Surely, they must have some sort of physical presence, despite what a spiritual person may claim."
To the religious person God, and all of the other things mentioned above do not have physical manifestations of any kind in the universe. No Abrahamic text has identified any of the above to have any sort of physical presence.
This presents the problem of testing the existence of God or any other object claimed to be spiritual: There is just nothing to look for, there is no start.
Where unicorns and other kind of things like ghosts are said to be summoned and attracted to the physical plane by some sort of ritual, God, Satan, angels and demons are only said to exist in a manifestation that effects the individual's emotion, where they are "brought great joy and peace" by the presence of God and "given great fear and anger: by the presence of the "enemy" (demons, evil presence).
The terms to try to see if God or any other spiritual thing claimed to exist by Abrahamic theism is just too ambiguous to pinpoint and be able to test, no matter how advanced we are in technology, or science.
Scientists are interested to know whether or not God exists. The reason being is if God created the universe this would explain a lot. Also, if God didn't create the universe this would also explain a lot. The point is whether of not God created the universe profoundly affects science. This is a question science can't just ignore. Why, wouldn't scientist look for answers about the nature of the universe?
In conclusion, scientists need to look for evidence if God exists or not because the answer profoundly affects science and the way the universe works. Don't confuse this issue with religion and faith based approaches. Students in science class should be taught about what evidence and lack of evidence science has on God. Thanks for the debate.
The reason why spottings of ghosts, unicorns and God have been debunked is because they are too ambiguous to pinpoint, and to actually prove as real, as I said before.
The question of whether or not God exists is irrelevant to science because science would continue to study the universe as it does now. There would be no changes to how science approaches and answer's it's questions. The proven/unproven existence of God makes no change to how the universe functions as it does now, so the scientific method would not change.
Science teachers should not waste their time trying to answer a dead-end question of something that cannot be pinpointed, instead of focusing on learning what can be and has been proven with solid evidence.
The existence (or rationalism of the existence) of God is a question that is, and should be left as, a question for Philosophy, and has no place in the Physical Sciences.
It was very fun debating with you, thank you.
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