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kevsext
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MTGandP
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The show "Seinfeld" is pretty good

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Started: 4/28/2009 Category: Entertainment
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
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kevsext

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Jerry Seinfeld is a pretty funny guy and deserves to be recognized as a comical character.

First off, he helped produce an extremely successful sitcom that lasted 9 seasons on the air and is still watched by thousands of viewers everyday.

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According to TV Guide, his work was "The #1 show of all time.
(The back of season 3 Seinfeld case)

Seinfeld has received awards and nominations in various categories throughout the mid-90s. It was awarded the Emmy for "Outstanding Comedy series" in 1993, Golden Globe Award for "Best TV-Series (Comedy)" in 1994 and Screen Actors Guild Award for "Outstanding Performance by an Ensemble in a Comedy Series" in 1995, 1997 and 1998.

I would like to thank my opponent for a majestic debate.

"People do things. Its a fact."- Master Shake
MTGandP

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I would like to thank my opponent for this fascinating debate. Despite the silliness of the topic, I urge the judges to not vote for the side that you personally agree with, but to vote for the side with the most convincing arguments.

I have confirmed that TV Guide did indeed name Seinfeld the "greatest show of all time". http://www.cbsnews.com...
But what gives the people at TV guide the authority to decide what the greatest show of all time is? The best show rankings were "chosen and ranked by TV Guide editors", not professional movie critics. This does not give their decision very much weight.

The other awards have more weight, but there are plenty of awards out there. In the words of Yoda, "Award does not make one great."

Contention 1: Seinfeld sets a bad example.

South Park is not a good influence on children. But Seinfeld is worse for these reasons.
a) South Park is filled with profane language and violent images, so children know not to watch it and parents know not to let their children watch it.
b) Cartman is one of the most despicable characters on television; however, no one really likes him and he never gets what he wants. So South Park portrays that it is bad to be like Cartman.

Seinfeld does not have these same advantages.
a) There is not much vulgarity, so it is very easy to watch. This can draw young children into it, and parents won't care unless they really understand what the show's about.
b) Every main character is morally despicable, but receives no comeuppance (with the possible exception of George, but the comeuppance there is really because no one likes him; this teaches that you only receive moral comeuppance when no one likes you).

Contention 2: Seinfeld lacks talent.
While the premises of Seinfeld are somewhat original, the execution is lacking. Elaine's character was very superficial and easy to write, while not particularly entertaining. George repeated essentially the same joke in virtually every episode: he was getting annoyed by something petty. This shows a lack of creativity in the show's production. Jerry is the only one who shows some variation from episode to episode.

My opponent did not provide any direct evidence, and instead only cited awards that Seinfeld had won. I urge the judges to go where the evidence is and vote CON.
Debate Round No. 1
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Posted by Adam2 3 years ago
Adam2
I can keep going on.
Posted by Adam2 3 years ago
Adam2
"There is not much vulgarity"
Um, yes there is.
In the busboy episode, Antonio says the F-word uncensored and they leave it out
In the heart attack, George says "jerk off"
In the pitch, George says that one must have a good story or else it's just masturbation
That's not vulgar? I think so.
Posted by Floridajoe03 8 years ago
Floridajoe03
I really do enjoy watching Seinfeld, but Con had a really interesting point there.
Posted by ToastOfDestiny 8 years ago
ToastOfDestiny
Sorry 'bout your brothers.
Posted by kevsext 8 years ago
kevsext
bong!

and just like that its funny again. damn I'm good
Posted by kevsext 8 years ago
kevsext
no. I'm sorry but you just killed it. it's not funny anymore.
Posted by ToastOfDestiny 8 years ago
ToastOfDestiny
I presume you have it in reverse.

Counter-bong.
Posted by kevsext 8 years ago
kevsext
bong
Posted by kevsext 8 years ago
kevsext
not to startle you but thats me son
Posted by ToastOfDestiny 8 years ago
ToastOfDestiny
Presumably, my father.
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