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Donlatt
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DucoNihilum
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The state is not necessary in a capitalist society

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Started: 7/7/2008 Category: Politics
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
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Donlatt

Pro

Capitalism can effectively substitute, if not exceed, any service the state provides, including a police force, fire control, judicial system, ect.

I await my opponent's rebuttal, and wish him the best of luck.
DucoNihilum

Con

Thank you to my opponent for starting this great debate. While, we may agree on many things, namely that the state is often incapable of proper management, we do however disagree on the point of how much state interference there should be. My opponent believes that the state should not be at all involved in any affairs, yet alone exist.

I contend that at least the state is necessary for some basic things, such as a standing army.

How would private individuals realistically pay for a standing army? Even if it were possible in concept- how would people who did not pay for the standing army be delt? Would they simply receive no protection? But then how is this possible? In national defense, the army acts for everybody. They protect the country as a whole- and since it protects the country as a hole, and that if it were done privately things would work less well (Dealing with non payers would be an issue) it is one area that should have a state. Please expect more thorough debates as my opponent elaborates on how he believes that this stateless society will exist.
Debate Round No. 1
Donlatt

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DucoNihilum

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Debate Round No. 2
Donlatt

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Debate Round No. 3
Donlatt

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DucoNihilum

Con

I reaffirm all my old arguments- sure, the state is hardly needed- but we do need a state for the most minimal of functions. My opponent has not proven that the state is entirely unnecessary, thus he has yet to affirm his resolution.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by gahbage 8 years ago
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I just lost "The Game".

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Posted by Ragnar_Rahl 8 years ago
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A state is simply a coercive apparatus. If something contains a coercive apparatus (in a capitalist society, only a retaliatory one, but still coercive, police, army, etc) it is a state. Therefore, the resolution is not coherent, even granted that I disagree with Con's arguments.
Posted by Logical-Master 8 years ago
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What is this nonsense I see present in the previous comment as well as PRO R2?
Posted by DucoNihilum 8 years ago
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