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Shawnks
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imabench
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The trade embargo on Cuba is harmful

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 12/12/2012 Category: Economics
Updated: 4 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Shawnks

Pro

The embargo on Cuba is bad for the economy. We lose the resources and support from a country. Cuba has supplies like oil. Which during hurricanes and big storms we don't have because the plants get evacuated. We also need support from other countries even small ones like Cuba!
imabench

Con

I accept this debate and will argue that the trade embargo on Cuba overall has no effect at all on the US economy due to
1) Cuba's downtrodden economy as it is right now, has little to benefit the US
2) Its lack of resources,
3) The likely animosity that the cuban government will still hold against the US if we lift the embargo
4) The US is so massive, wealthy, and consumes so much that anything Cuba could 'offer' wouldnt put a dent in anything
5) We might have to pour money into THEIR economy to fix it before we could even begin to benefit from it at all.

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To counter the Pro's arguments

"Cuba has Oil"

According to Opec, the CIA world factbook, and oil companies themselves, Cuba only has 0.18 Billion barrels of oil reserves. To put that into perspective:

Venezuela has 290 Billion in reserves,
Saudi Arabia has 260 Billion,
Iran has 175 Billion,
Canada has 154 Billion,
Iraq has 143 Billion,
Kuwait has 111 Billion,
Russia has around 77 Billion
Nigeria has about 37 Billion
And even the US has around around 20 Billion.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

Cuba only has 0.18, which ranks just 62nd in the world. Cuba has a little bit of oil, but it is close to nothing compared to how much oil the US already gets from countries like Canada and Saudi Arabia. Furthermore, sine the US consumes so much oil, the oil that CUba has wouldnt even put a dent into gas prices if we lifted the embargo, and thats assuming they would even trade oil with us at all. They might keep it to themselves for all we know.

On another note. If lets say there are a lot more oil reserves to be found offshore underground, we can safely assume that CUba would not have the technology or knowledge to prevent against a potential oil spill or rig explosion should one happen. Millions of barrels of oil pouring into the ocean and ending up contaminating Florida's beaches? Ill pass.

"We also need support from other countries, even small ones like Cuba"

Now im not sure if pro is referring to diplomatic support or militaristic support, but I can safely say that CUba wouldnt give us either of those, and heres why. Militaristically, Cuba has almost no military. Theyre military support would be close to useless in conflicts like Afghanistan or Iraq, in fact they would be useless even in Mediterranean affairs because their military is not only unfunded, but technologically ancient as well. In military affairs, Cuba's support wouldnt be worth a thing..... And I could even go further into explaining why they wouldnt even give us military support too.

As for Diplomatic support, Cuba has no incentive to agree with the US over any international policy issue, and since they hate us I dont see why they would coordinate with us either. Seeing that the US has a history of trying to kill off their leaders, I can safely say that Cuba doesnt want anything to do with us.

Thats all I can say for now, 3000 character limit
Debate Round No. 1
Shawnks

Pro

Cuba has a thriving tobacco industry which we make a lot of money off of. Quote world cultures and geography text book. There size doesn't matter, because of TOBACCO! (I don't smoke)
imabench

Con

"Cuba has a thriving tobacco industry which we make a lot of money off of. Quote world cultures and geography text book"

Seeing as how smoking bans in public places are on the rise, that cigars are horrendous to your health, and that only a fraction of Americans even smoke cigars (2%), it can be concluded that Cuba's cigar market would impact a very very small proportion of Americans that is shrinking year by year.

http://www.webmd.com...
http://www.webmd.com...
http://en.wikipedia.org...

On another note, Cuba isnt the only place in the world that manufactures cigars.... There are hundreds of cigar brands made in over a dozen countries in the world that already saturate the market, adding a handful of Cuban brands wont change anything.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

Its also worth noting that America isnt even the top cigarette consumer per capita, that title belongs to Greece. The United States ranks just 39th.....

http://en.wikipedia.org...

Long story short: Cuba isnt the only place that makes cigars, there are already a ton of cigar brands that exist to meet demand, the number of Americans who even smoke cigars is miniscule to begin with, smoking bans have drastically reduced how profitable tobacco companies can even be, the health risks associated with cigars will further drive people away from them and those that smoke cigars will likely become a burden on the economy in terms of healthcare costs, and pro drops all arguments relating to oil, military cooperation, and diplomatic support that Cuba would give the US.
Debate Round No. 2
Shawnks

Pro

Shawnks forfeited this round.
imabench

Con

Extend all arguments....
Debate Round No. 3
Shawnks

Pro

Shawnks forfeited this round.
imabench

Con

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Debate Round No. 4
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Vote Placed by 1Devilsadvocate 4 years ago
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Vote Placed by RoyLatham 4 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Cuba nationalized it's cigar industry, so the US makes nothing from it. Pro make no strong arguments and forfeted.
Vote Placed by drafterman 4 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Forfeit- (((REAL REASON!! IMMOMEN IS GOING TO BANNNNNNNNNNN US ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL)))
Vote Placed by Heineken 4 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Shawnks-shank redemption - I wish I could tell you that Shawnks fought the good fight, and that Imabench let him be. I wish I could tell you that - but DDO is no fairy-tale world. He never said how he did it, but we all knew. Things went on like that for awhile - DDO life consists of routine, and then more routine. Every so often, Shawnks would show up with fresh bruises. Imabench kept at him - sometimes he was able to fight him off, sometimes not. And that's how it went for Shawnks - that was his routine. I do believe those first two years were the worst for him, and I also believe that if things had gone on that way, this place would have got the best of him.
Vote Placed by Ron-Paul 4 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: FF.