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SamaritanSword
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Zetsubou
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The ultimate success. Islam

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 10/12/2010 Category: Education
Updated: 6 years ago Status: Voting Period
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SamaritanSword

Pro

By defination, Islam is "Total submission" in this case to the creator of all things "GOD". It is the most successful way of life mankind will ever know. It is the only way proposed by the architect of our existance. It is a fact that in the world, there is no law which completely address all aspects of life i.e. Criminal, family, spiritual, international, war-fare, environment etc... With all their respective penalties. And claims divinity. No other. So it sweeps the prize by default.
Zetsubou

Con

00 days 00 hour 42 minutes 31 seconds

The ultimate success.
What do you mean by "ultimate" success? The final success or simply the best success there is. I'll define it as the latter choice.

Well, it's not. I won't go into the reasons too deeply due to time and a very, very unexpected mock exam. Here's the basic gist of it.

1.
Islam as divined by the Quran in native Arabic, is contrary to the concept of ultimate success. Success is a very subjective concept different to ones means and interests. The best way of achieving INDIVIDUAL ultimate success is absolute freedom, the right to do whatever the hell you want when ever the hell you want. Islam has restrictions? Correct? And there for it's against my freedoms and ergo, my success.

2. You can't achieve success if you follow statement with are out right logically impossible
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Inheritance law.
A man dies leaving behind three daughters, two parents and a wife, they will receive:
2/3 for the 3 daughters together [4:11]
1/6 for the parents together [4:11]
1/8 for the wife [4:12]
15/24
9/8 is impossible.
[Sutra 4:11-12] -http://www.muslimaccess.com... - The words translate to fractions. eg wahidinminhuma (one in/of the third) in the Romanised texts it would translate to wa-hida-????, or wain?????. So the inconsistency is verified in it's own language.

3.
Even when given that Islam is the true faith and I summit to Ali-Allah(God most high) and become one of his followers wouldn't be better to be his equal or to even surpass him?

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"It is a fact that in the world, there is no law which completely address all aspects of life i.e. Criminal, family, spiritual, international, war-fare, environment etc... With all their respective penalties. And claims divinity. No other. So it sweeps the prize by default."

There are many, I'll give you one: The mitzvot all 613 of them. [http://www.jewfaq.org...]

Thank you.

00 days 00 hour 8 minutes 07 seconds
Debate Round No. 1
SamaritanSword

Pro

SamaritanSword forfeited this round.
Zetsubou

Con

I'm gonna' just leave this here. ->>
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SamaritanSword

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Pro

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Zetsubou

Con

Vote Con if you hate Allah.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by Hound 6 years ago
Hound
Don't be such an idiot in the last round next time, Con.
Posted by Mirza 6 years ago
Mirza
A reflection of his last comment. He brought it upon himself.
Posted by vardas0antras 6 years ago
vardas0antras
Pro forfeited every round, you can't give many votes to a debater who doesn't debate. Anyhow Ill remember this for my future debates.
Posted by Mirza 6 years ago
Mirza
No, I gave a response to Zetsubou's last comment.
Posted by vardas0antras 6 years ago
vardas0antras
LOL Mirza is bias
Posted by wjmelements 6 years ago
wjmelements
"Vote Con if you hate Allah."

This makes conduct a tie.
Posted by Zetsubou 6 years ago
Zetsubou
I never said to take it verbatim Mirza, I did it to the best of my abilities.
Posted by Mirza 6 years ago
Mirza
I am not yet an expert in Arabic, and you have the burden of proof. You basically make a claim without knowing something about it.

I will ask a scholar, and I will tell you what he says.

"awladikum lilththakari"
Posted by Zetsubou 6 years ago
Zetsubou
Mirza, do it. I dare you, translate, feel free.
Posted by Mirza 6 years ago
Mirza
Sieben, there are no contradictions nor language errors. Zetsubou does not know Arabic, and reading those verses in Arabic makes perfect sense. The Qur'an is incredible in mathematically structured sentences and language, hence it is the greatest Arabic literature ever. Thanks, but Islam has already got what is needed.
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