The Instigator
brittwaller
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Losing
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The Contender
Kleptin
Con (against)
Winning
45 Points

The user known as "brittwaller" should not have lost the following debates

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Started: 9/14/2008 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
Viewed: 1,974 times Debate No: 5389
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brittwaller

Pro

I don't really have the time for a full-on debate right now, but I wanted to check out the newer features on the site, as well as clean up my record a little.

Now, I have been vexed for some time by the fact that my Total War community website has better-behaved members, and can settle on a standard of civility so much easier than this site, which is, ostensibly, devoted to debate and is so full of "intellectuals." That's only a side point (not an analogy), but is relevant because I believe that I was either voted against out of pure personal bias, or that multiple accounts were used against me, or that people simply voted based on opinion, or that some of the people that voted are simply ignorant, or whatever combination of the above factors you want to use. Any of those scenarios are possible, as anyone that has been here for a minute knows that these things are more or less "inherent" in the system (this is what vexes me...)

It should be noted that I haven't put every loss I've had up here for re-examination. I have some well-deserved losses, indeed, and do not have a problem with losing in and of itself. I do, however, have a problem with losing when I should have clearly won, or in one case, tied.

Here they are.

http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...

I should have won in those instances, hands-down. At this point, I will say it is self-evident. If it is not so evident to my opponent, I will explain and clarify as needed.

http://www.debate.org...

This debate should be a tie, as my opponent and friend sweatingjojo and I specifically asked no one to vote on the discussion - not a debate. The content of the debate makes clear that only small-minded, self-serving tricksters would have sabotaged our pure discussion. Hilarious!

I look forward to a good debate here.

Britt
Kleptin

Con

Your examples are faulty.

For one of the first two links, some extremely good-looking and intelligent person has already voted you into winning.

For the third one, the same extremely good-looking and intelligent person has voted it into a tie :P
Debate Round No. 1
brittwaller

Pro

The return of Kleptin is a great thing.

Unfortunately, and wisely, in this instance, my opponent obviously agrees with me due to his actions to correct the said problems. This kind of makes the position of CON null and void. As of the writing of this post, about 9 pm CST, the score on the debate that should have been tied is actually tied, so as long as no one touches that one it should be golden. it is tied right down the middle, 30 to 30. Very nice. I say that as it would be a disservice to both sweatingjojo and I if it falters again. The other two are closer, but not reversed.

I did not make this debate for vanity, but for rational justice 8)
Kleptin

Con

This is ridiculous. Someone actually voted for the other guy after I turned the tables on one. Both of those debates were clear wins, I suspect foul play >.>

Once more objective voters are there to examine the debates, it'll be better.
Debate Round No. 2
brittwaller

Pro

Yours hasn't even started and you are doing better. I believe it may not be foul play but perhaps a form of mild retardation... We will see I suppose.
Kleptin

Con

That's because mine started showing results when it ENDED.

With this response, I believe we will see some attention to your misvoted debates :P
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by brittwaller 8 years ago
brittwaller
No problem. It's all good. Besides, I've had much more negative comments than that;)
Posted by scissorhands7 8 years ago
scissorhands7
Sorry if that was a little rude, I just think its more advertising than anything, Kleptins done this same sort of thing and I dunno, it irks me slightly.

I should have restrained from posting a negative comment. I apologize.
Posted by brittwaller 8 years ago
brittwaller
Let me say this, then. First, I didn't say "I should have won," I said, "I should not have lost." I know that you know, from your other comment, that there is a difference and if you read the debate, and looked at the debates in question, you know that I was at least partially justified in creating this debate, maybe even more so in light of recent information. I would have even debated the issue: I did not challenge Kleptin, it was an open challenge, but he chose to take it in the direction he did. I was actually expecting to have a real debate and possibly losing to my opponent, as well, but my actual goal in this debate was to get actual feedback, like what you just provided, for those.

Mea culpa for annoying you, but this wasn't on the front page. You obviously looked it up. Thanks.

Britt
Posted by scissorhands7 8 years ago
scissorhands7
I do have to say I get annoyed when I see any, "I should have won these debates" debate.
Posted by brittwaller 8 years ago
brittwaller
Indeed. I think it is the topic itself that incites people to want to mess with the score, despite our explicit requests not to. It's a shame, but like I said to begin with, it was probably in vain and had little overall effect.
Posted by Sweatingjojo 8 years ago
Sweatingjojo
Its a constant struggle to ensure that the "proposal of protocols" remains a tie.
Posted by brittwaller 8 years ago
brittwaller
That sounds very nice actually, but perhaps a little dramatic for my own style;)
Posted by Rezzealaux 8 years ago
Rezzealaux
You said: "I did not make this debate for vanity, but for rational justice 8)"
I read: "I did not make this debate for NO REASON, but FOR GREAT JUSTICE!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Posted by Kleptin 8 years ago
Kleptin
lol, I actually *have* been gone the whole time. Debate.org kind of lost its charm with me waiting and waiting for the new version XD

That, and over my absence I got myself a gal pal who takes up all my non-studying, non-maintenance-of-life time :P

But the call of mistress debate.org was too tempting...now that she's all prettied up :O!
Posted by Rezzealaux 8 years ago
Rezzealaux
KUUURRREEEEPPPPUUUTTTIIIINNNN!!!!!!

/fanboy
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