The word "genius" is so overused
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In the end, people can say what they want to say, but it irks me because they're taking away credit from the real geniuses.
(Michealangelo, Edgar Allan Poe, Ben Carson Etc. )
And just so we're clear, Kanye is not a genius.
Secondly, who are you to judge who a genius actually is. It should be societies choice whether they label someone a genius or not. And by society, I mean the majorities of people who use the word genius to describe. It's their choice whether they label something or someone a genius. You can't argue with their thoughts because that person or thing in their mind, key words being their mind, are a genius.
It was a daffy duck play. This is the kind of stuff I'm talking about.
Also, I don't get to pick who's a genius- I'm using examples of people everybody can agree on that are geniuses.
If you dispute their genius, please explain to me why, and give me your own list.
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Also, when you compare a proper genius to a genius in someone's head, that false genius who is not genius to you (Daffy Duck play), (Kanye West), (That homeless guy across the street), may have not shown any smart ideas yet.
The idea of calling someone or something genius is because you do not see a lot of those ideas or people expressing those smart ideas. Some songwriters can be called geniuses as their lyrics are unique, so what this genius covers for is the word unique, and even if you think that is stupid, it is what it is and it does not harm anyone, so why try to argue against it in the first place?
And just so we're clear, if their ideas are truly genius, I can't think of many ideas that aren't.
'The idea of calling someone or something genius is because you do not see a lot of those ideas or people expressing those smart ideas.'
I agree. Plenty of geniuses are unproductive, lazy, unstable, or flat out bums. They are brilliant, but are not labeled geniuses because there's no evidence that they are. Even geniuses have to work to succeed (Tesla, Leonardo da Vinci, ect.)
"and even if you think that is stupid, it is what it is and it does not harm anyone, so why try to argue against it in the first place?"
People who claim their ideas are "genius" are free to do so. The problem is that if a daffy duck play idea is "genius," what's the theory of relativity? Geniuser? The word loses all meaning, since its applicable to anything.
Also, watch any interview of Kanye and you'll see what I mean.
you would not call a piece of cheesecake genius. A plain piece of cheesecake. Now obviously no one would be stupid enough to call an ordinary PLAIN piece of cheesecake genius. Now decorate the cheesecake with an extremely unique, non thought of design. I'm pretty sure a lot of people would call that genius as it is unthought of or not seen, just like that Daffy Duck play. No one would randomly think or present a show on Daffy Duck. That play was unique and out of the ordinary.
genius = unique to society
You said "genius" = unique to society".
First, genius is defined as exceptional creative power- and while this kind of genius is always unique, that doesn't mean that everything that's unique is always genius.
Listen to Schoenberg, and you'll see what I mean.
And no. You just said it yourself. 'Genius is defined as exceptional creative power'. That Daffy duck play is creative. Who would think to make something as stupid as that. Its creative, though it is not very smart, geniuses do not need to be smart to be a genius. They just have to be creative. Proper geniuses like; Einstein, Newton, Curie etc have sort of set a standard of genius. This does not mean every other creative idea gets ruled off. They just set a standard.
I limited the character count because less is more. I was tempted to go with 500...
"I was going to analyse what you said in a lot more detail."
I'm feeling generous today, so here's your chance. You get a whole round to address my three previous points. If you don't, I automatically win.
1. "The problem is that if a daffy duck play idea is "genius," what's the theory of relativity? Geniuser? The word loses all meaning, since its applicable to anything."
2. "A lot of times it's a " 'genius idea' to that person" because it's their idea."
3. "And just so we're clear, if their ideas are truly genius, I can't think of many ideas that aren't."
As always, thanks for your time.
You got a little fight in you.
I like that. ;)
I addressed your point number 2 in round number 3 and point 3 in some other round.
There is no theory behind this kind of genius. Its like a slang word for unthought of and unique. Its not official as it is societies interpretation.
and as we both said, genius is a 'creative exceptional power' and that is the definition. Therefore it can be used for anything creative, like that Daffy duck play. How many Daffy duck plays do you just randomly see? Not many. Its creative, innovative and unique.
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