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There are many instances in the bible where it states you should be put to death. Do you deserve it?

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backwardseden

Con

There are many instances in the outhouse bible where the god of it wants to put people to death for pretty much doing nothing wrong. Perhaps we who can obviously think clearly should put its god to death for pretty much doing EVERYTHING wrong. Wouldn't that be extra special? Here's some examples of god's "love" towards those he wants to wipe clean off the face of the earth...

Deuteronomy 13: 9-10 “But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.” So because you worship other god(s), do you believe that you should be stoned to death? Y____? N____? Why? Why Not? So since you believe differently from what the christian god states, then it is up to you as a christian to follow your god’s orders and stone everybody to death, including me, that doesn’t believe in your god. Deuteronomy 17: 2-5 states the same thing. “If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant, 3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel: 5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.” Wow what a great god this god guy is huh? And what a true baby he is huh just because somebody wants to to disagree with him. Well goodie for me. So come on down here and stone me to death because I 100% KNOW differently from this pathetic little weenie tot god and can prove it whereas nothing can be proved from god. Nothing.

Leviticus 20:13 “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.” Do you think you should be put to death because you are gay? Y____ N____ Why? Why not? OK if you say yes, the you go right ahead and you put to death every single gay person on this planet. Also why you are at it, you go ahead a break this country’s law that was put into motion supporting gays last year. Also you go right ahead as gays are now supported all over the world by a large majority.
Now I 100% bet you that within 20 years or less that your bible will be changed as its always been changed even since its man made inception to support man’s wants, needs and desires, that there will be a few verses incorporated within it to support gays. Obviously this is quite an absurd law laid down by the tyrannical nothingness infidel god.

Exodus 31:15 “Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.” Do you think you should be put to death for working on the sabbath? Y____? N____? Why? Why Not? Well obviously this law is painfully ridiculous that could have only come from half muted diseased simpleton diseased simpleton god for no reason except to show his bloated ego. First off, since when would a god/ supreme deity require rest of any kind? Secondly, there are those who absolutely have 0 choice who must work on the sabbath. Third, christ worked on the sabbath and thus broke god’s law, one of many in which he did-not-have-permission-to-do. So christ should have been put to death for working on the sabbath. So christianity is false, the NT is false, christ is false. And who doesn’t work on the sabbath? Should all of you be put to death?

Oh yeah there are many more laws that this bickering obviously very lonely god meat salad who has a giant lard ego that strives for attention to feed his dumdum attention though faith of all things which right there proves he isn’t a god, and yet no one can even prove this so-called god even exists which is such a roll in the hey of donkey meat laughter unto itself, that nobody should believe in this god that hates children for jeez sakes. Why are christians so gullible? Why can’t they provide something that is tangible?



So it will be up to you as Pro to prove that god's warrant to put you to death for absolutely no reason is correct and proper according to the bible. Give the reason(s) "why"?

Summary
The man made god of the bible is an a$$ who incorporates printed laws that can’t possibly be followed.

Arganger

Pro

Have you ever even meant a human? we ALL deserve death luckily the law was abolished in the new testament by God himself, or rightly so we would all be burning in hell.

Since the first ever rule, "Don't eat fruit from that one tree", necessary to the idea of free will. humans have consistently broken rules in full knowledge that they shouldn't have and they do it again and again.

The standard we are meant and made to follow is perfection, it's possible physically but we humans are so sinful in nature (thanks to our doing) we consistently mess it up. If I were him I would of sent everyone. (Even myself) to hell a long time ago, thank goodness he has mercy.

Now, the law of the bible is abolished, We are still meant to follow it (Accept what was changed by the new testament, and mostly the ten commandments), but out of love of the law not punishment.

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Debate Round No. 1
backwardseden

Con

For you I shall change the font...
Actually no it wasn’t. You show me where “the law” was abolished in the new testament by God himself,”. Not even close. Because I’ve been doing this for 40+ years and have talked with about 25,000 and no one else can. No one. What “law”? There’s nothing that states that in your bible. And I get it, a kind caring god would invent hell in the first place. Is that what you are saying? Um no, what’s wrong with a kind caring god simply bringing in an era of peace, love, kindness, care for each other, love? And not all this hell sinning crap in which your bible is so heavily concentrated on more than anything else? Its not love, peace or caring about each other by a long shot. So you as a christian have to look over your shoulder every single hour of every single day wondering if you are doing anything wrong and to follow correctly in by your holy book in which no god would ever ever ever ever ever and let’s say ever again use text form the worst form of communication possible so that man could get it WRONG all the time with no updates in 2,000 years (at least) with copies upon copies upon copies upon copies with translations upon translations upon translations with absolutely no way to trace it back to its original. In other words, you and EVERYBODY, no exceptions, none, is misinterpreting.

“If god is all knowing and he knows the future of all events and he wrote a book that can only be interpreted as if it endorses slavery and if its heinous violence against your children against your neighbors… how could a god be that omnipotent and devise a book where we can’t distinguish between the law of Israel and god’s law? I mean their interwoven where we have metaphor and fact and nobody can distinguish the two. We don’t know what we’re supposed to take figuratively. We don’t know what we’re supposed to take literally. Was it actually a tree? I mean come on. How can anyone distinguish this. I mean come on. It doesn’t make any sense. It doesn’t matter how its translated. It doesn’t matter what version. If it was written by an omnipotent being there would be ONE VERSION. And there would be only ONE WAY to interpret it because it would be written well.” Aron Ra
"Actually it wouldn’t be written at all. What’s wrong with your god comin’ down and talking to people? ‘Hey you know some of that stuff that’s in the book? I’m here to correct it.” Matt Dillahunty
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“We have to rely on copies of copies of anonymous authors with no originals and the textural testimony to a miracle for example, there’s no amount of reports, anecdotal reports that is sufficient to justify in believing that actually happened as reported. And anything that would qualify as a god would clearly understand this and if it wanted to clearly convey this to people in a way that is believable would not be relying on ---TEXT--- to do so. And this to me is the nail in the coffin for christianity. The god that christians believe in is amazingly ---STUPID---!!! If it actually wants to achieve its goal by spreading its word to humanity by relying on text, by relying on languages that die off, by relying on anecdotal testimony, that’s not a pathway to truth. And anything that would qualify for a god would know this.which shows either god does not exist or doesn’t care enough about the people to understand the nature of evidence to actually present it. Now which of those two possibilities is accurate?” Matt Dillahunty

But it has nothing to do with the main argument. The argument is for you to “prove that god's warrant to put you to death for absolutely no reason is correct and proper according to the bible. Give the reason(s) "why"?” And it doesn’t matter if there’s a new law or not. The fact of the matter is, is that a dirty filthy greasy s--t for a god thought those laws up in the first place in which NOBODY can possibly follow.
Do you think you should be put to death if you were to curse at your parents ESPECIALLY is they were to rape, beat and torture you? Its a stupid law thought up by a stupid supposed god who you cannot even prove exists in the first place. And there’s many more laws like it.
Do you think gays should be put to death for being gay?

“Since the first ever rule, "Don't eat fruit from that one tree", necessary to the idea of free will. humans have consistently broken rules in full knowledge that they shouldn't have and they do it again and again.” Yeah. And they should. 1. god provided them with absolutely no knowledge as to the “why”.You should always question. 2. There was only one warning. 2. Since there was only one warning, that’s just like saying to your baby “no” for the first three years of his life to the same thing. 3. You cannot teach children what they don’t know. It takes constant remembering and repeating of things. 4. god should know those things which proves he’s not a god since he didn’t. Regardless, you don’t have free will of any kind if you believe in your god. Not a single ounce of it. But that’s another topic completely.
You claim to be autistic, how many times does it take you before you remember things? Or does it so happen that you remember things immediately?
Regardless, since you are autistic, god gave you your autism.

“The standard we are meant and made to follow is perfection,” Absolutely 100% its not. But since you are autistic, you see it as that. But that not how anybody, and I do mean anybody else can possibly see it as that. Its unrealistic and totally absurd. And to make any attempts to try to accomplish perfection is totally benign, opaque and completely ridiculous. And for those that set themselves up to try to achieve perfection are only going to achieve failure.

Um no, YOU are sinful because YOU believe in god. I am not sinful because I do not believe in god. But then again according to your bible, you don’t even know what it says about sin. You really should look it up sometime because it laughably contradictory and quite hypocritical about it also. Your’re not going to like it. But then again there’s about 1,000 hypocritical contradictions in the bible making it truly unreadable.
Does every man sin? Yes. There is no man who does not sin (I Kings 8:46; see also 2 Chronicles 6:36; Proverbs 20:9; Ecclesiastes 7:20; and I John 1:810)
No. True Christians cannot possibly sin, because they are the children of God. Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is a child of God.. (I John 5:1). We should be called children of God; and so we are (I John 3: 1). He who loves is born of God (I John 4:7). No one born of God commits sin; for Gods nature abides in him, and he cannot sin because he is born of God (I John 3:9). But, then again, Yes! If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us (I John 1:8)

Um no absolutely not. Those “sins” and everything you do, that’s in god’s control. Not yours. If not, then god is not a god and he’s not in control of everything, does not know everything, is most certainly not all knowing nor is he all powerful, is most certainly not omnipotent and definitely not perfect. So which is it? That’s another example of you not having free will. But again another subject.

Really? According to what does god have mercy? Then explain why he hates children and knowingly causes their suffering (tons of verses bot OT and NT), loves raped women (you haven’t read those verses have you? Obviously not.) he adores slavery (both OT and NT), created many massive genocides, murdered 2,821,364 (both OT and NT) in his bible which would have had to have included 6 month olds still suckling on their mothers nipples, children, pregnant mothers (the invention of abortions in which you christians do not take to kindly to which is yet more hypocritical contradictions) Your god has freely admitted to having anger, wrath, vengeance, rage, fury, jealousy. Jealousy? What from a supreme deity? Jealousy is nothing more than anger as disguised fear. Even worse is this supposed god of yours passed down those emotions so man could in turn learn to hate. So don’t talk to me or anyone that YOUR god is “good” when he is most certainly not anything like it. Not only that since this god of YOURS has these emotions it clearly means that he is imperfect. Now who in their right stale mind would ---ever--- want to bow down to an inferior supreme deity bile god such as the one you picked from your closet because what else could it be?
Strange isn’t it that in comparison that the Inca, many of the native American Indian tribes until your white man greasy sweaty racist pig christian wiped them out, the aborigines, Hindu’s, Gaia Mother Earth, Buddhists etc etc etc they do not practice nor preach nor go to war over their religions, not anywhere close to the evils nor hate that the christians do. Now why is that? And yet according to your god worshiping other gods is considered to be the most evil thing there is, and you should be stoned to death for it. So you follow your lord’s orders and you come on down here and stone me to death. Whatsamatter? You are not going to follow your god’s orders? Why? Why not?
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In other words, its obvious that you haven’t read your bible to have passed up on so many glaring errors in it.


Arganger

Pro

Romans 7New Living Translation (NLT)

"7 Now, dear brothers and sisters[a]"you who are familiar with the law"don"t you know that the law applies only while a person is living? 2 For example, when a woman marries, the law binds her to her husband as long as he is alive. But if he dies, the laws of marriage no longer apply to her. 3 So while her husband is alive, she would be committing adultery if she married another man. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law and does not commit adultery when she remarries.

4 So, my dear brothers and sisters, this is the point: You died to the power of the law when you died with Christ. And now you are united with the one who was raised from the dead. As a result, we can produce a harvest of good deeds for God. 5 When we were controlled by our old nature,[b] sinful desires were at work within us, and the law aroused these evil desires that produced a harvest of sinful deeds, resulting in death. 6 But now we have been released from the law, for we died to it and are no longer captive to its power. Now we can serve God, not in the old way of obeying the letter of the law, but in the new way of living in the Spirit."

According to you- what"s wrong with a kind caring god simply bringing in an era of peace, love, kindness, care for each other, love?- The answer to this is simple, the only way currently to bring that is to destroy free will. Free will is important to humans being humans, and keeps us from being nothing more than mindless slaves. God didn't bring in the evil of the world, we did. And every time any of us sin we reaffirm that.

Hell was not created for humans, but demons, humans go there yes, but because god won't force humans to love him, and if they don't want him hell is the only place that is free of him. Humans choose hell or heaven.

The fact that the bible has so many translations is actually good, they can be checked back with each other and major mistakes in one would be corrected by ten more. Different translations are also almost not different at all besides some wording and the language it is in. The bible has remained actually quite consistent,

The bible doesn't endorse slavery, that actually is a case of mistranslation. Think indentured servitude, to repay a large debt someone would work without pay to the individual they owed money too for no more than seven years. The masters were expected to treat these servants with respect and kindness, and the servants to respect and obey their master. Often they would choose to stay in that situation as bond servants

The bible also, within basic law, tells you to treat your neighbors well. Not to mention that just as children are expected to honer their parents, parents are meant to treat them well, example: "Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger, but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord."

I take just about everything literally in the bible unless stated otherwise. We are expected to interpret it one way through the holy spirit, but as humans cherry picking will always happen. And like I said, there is actually minimal difference between versions.

God talks to people sometimes, I have directly heard him, and the holy spirit is always their to say, we have plenty to see, but as humans we don't always listen and God won't come down in a big show just to get people to believe as to test faith, though in the end times a demon with make a big show.

God literally created us, if you made a piece of pottery for example, you would have the right to throw it at the wall and break it.

The law is possible to follow, but humans naturally lean to sin and break it. "Do you think you should be put to death if you were to curse at your parents ESPECIALLY is they were to rape, beat and torture you?" You know, the parents would be put to death as well, and cursing your parents wouldn't fix anything. Gods standard is a standard of perfection, no matter what someone did to you you don't have to respond with more sin and if you do you are still guilty of that sin.

-god provided them with absolutely no knowledge as to the "why".You should always question- "You may freely eat the fruit of every tree in the garden except the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. If you eat its fruit, you are sure to die." Sounds like they were told well enough.

- Since there was only one warning, that"s just like saying to your baby "no" for the first three years of his life to the same thing. you cannot teach children what they don"t know. It takes constant remembering and repeating of things- Not before sin you didn't, in a garden of perfection their memory of what he said was sure to be clear, back then there was only one rule for goodness sake. The fourth point is also affected by this.

"The serpent was the shrewdest of all the wild animals the Lord God had made. One day he asked the woman, "Did God really say you must not eat the fruit from any of the trees in the garden?"

2 "Of course we may eat fruit from the trees in the garden," the woman replied. 3 "It"s only the fruit from the tree in the middle of the garden that we are not allowed to eat. God said, "You must not eat it or even touch it; if you do, you will die.""

4 "You won"t die!" the serpent replied to the woman. 5 "God knows that your eyes will be opened as soon as you eat it, and you will be like God, knowing both good and evil."

6 The woman was convinced. She saw that the tree was beautiful and its fruit looked delicious, and she wanted the wisdom it would give her. So she took some of the fruit and ate it. Then she gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it, too. 7 At that moment their eyes were opened, and they suddenly felt shame at their nakedness. So they sewed fig leaves together to cover themselves."
Looks like they remembered well enough.

-You claim to be autistic, how many times does it take you before you remember things? Or does it so happen that you remember things immediately?- My memory is inconsistent due to executive dysfunction, at times I remember things from when I was a baby, at other times I forget what I'm saying in the middle of a sentence.

-Regardless, since you are autistic, god gave you your autism.- So? It's not a curse. Autism is hard and disabling but not bad, and makes up my very personality.

Perfection is the standard and what we are meant to follow, even if we will never reach it. Because we cannot reach it is why God gave us a way out.

Sin isn't based on whether or not you believe you are sinning.

In love we are not meant to sin and when we do through God is is blighted off the record if we let him because jesus took the punishment. We are also not consistent in the love of God, when we sin we are not acting as children of God but returning to sin. One cannot be at the same time in sin and in God, only one at a time.

God lets us have control, he knows what we will do because he outside of time, and has the power to change it but lets us have the freedom to choose to do the wrong thing, he gives us control of ourselves, because if we didn't that couldn't be a true love.

God doesn't hate children, in fact he takes mercy on them very often, "Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."

He does not cause their suffering, we do.

If you are referring to"Suppose a man has intercourse with a young woman who is a virgin but is not engaged to be married. If they are discovered, 29 he must pay her father fifty pieces of silver.[a] Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he may never divorce her as long as he lives." There is good reason for this, first of all the raped woman due to the culture would never be able to marry afterwords, and not be able to support herself. This forces the man to take care of the girl and any children that may result, while also socially shaming him.

If you are referring to the flood, like I said he has a habit of taking mercy on young children, and the adults were doing horrible things as a lifestyle and didn't plan on doing better. He knows their thoughts and hearts, and they didn't care for anything good. If not, than humans abusing free will is far from his fault.

-anger, wrath, vengeance, rage, fury, jealousy- none of which are sin unless taken to easily, and he waits hundreds, sometimes thousands of years before that comes out, giving many chances before.

Hate is just hate, God doesn't hate people at all, only works and is way to patient with us all, and he is quite good, like I said I would if I were him, I would of just sent everyone to hell long ago, people don't deserve any of the constant grace he gives at all. He is perfect, and perfection isn't without emotion.

You kidding? Native tribes killed each other all the time before europeans got here, I mean the europeans should not of conquered them, and taken the land, but that wasn't from God, that was man using him as an excuse. And christianity originally was founded by mostly black and middle eastern people. I won't stone you because you have until the day of your death to change, and if you don't I'll let god deal with it. "Let the one who does wrong continue to do wrong; let the vile person continue to be vile; let the one who does right continue to do right; and let the holy person continue to be holy."

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Debate Round No. 2
backwardseden

Con

What are those verses talking about? Sin. And nothing more. And it most certainly does not state anything at all about god ---himself--- stating that he is rewriting any laws whatsoever. So you have no case whatsoever.
Here’s the very last verse to support it…”25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.” Who is this “I”? Its not god. So the entire chapter becomes a “so what meaningless gibberish nothingness.”
Once again, Sin is so hypocritical and contradictory in your bible so it cancels each other out and is nothing more than absolute confusion as proved in RD1. Also as mentioned in RD1, why believe in sin in the first place from that idiot god? Why not believe in happiness, care for each other, kindness, love? After all if god is god he could have brought in an era of peace, gentleness, kindness, love and not all these DELIBERATE genocides, hate, wars, needless deaths, love of raped women, bloodshed, greed, anger, wrath, vengeance, rage, fury, jealousy etc etc etc? Why is there so much emphasis on hell and sinning? See, since you believe in god you are forced to believing in that trash and bile. Since I do not believe in god, I believe in happiness and care for each other, peace, kindness, love, etc without the evils, hate , crap of do nothings of hell and sinning and all those emotions to get in the way. Its utter meaningless bull.
Since sin is such a true main emphasis in which you care for so deeply, instead of you being happy and being kind and loving, and since it was mentioned with astute outcome showing that sinning in your bible is indeed ever so hypocritical and contradictory, I will be ignoring everything you state about sinning.

Oh absolutely free will is important to man. But if you believe in your god, you absolutely do not in any way have free will. Are you 100% sure you want to get into free will? Its something that if you believe in god that you 100% do not have and cannot win. There will be a little bit on it later even though it does not have anything to do with the subject matter.

“Hell was not created for humans, but demons,...” Um no, hell was created for people that do not believe in god and this jesus christ character in which there’s 0 proof for both ever existing. So I should go to hell because I do not believe in this trashy god of yours? Well goody for me!!! All the more power to me and billions of others for not believing in him. And serial killers, torturers, rapists, sodomizers, Hitler because he was a devout christian. Etc etc etc are to find places in heaven and not to go to this hell of yours, WHAT? Are you kidding me? YEP. Those ARE YOUR christ’s rules. So come on down here and put me to death and send me to hell since YOUR christ says I deserve it. PATHETIC AND SICK.
Oh absolutely god forces people to love him. Jeez. Where have you been? You either live and love god and bend to his rules, or you die. Simple. Threatening people with death, well that’s NOT love, nor is it free will. Do you even know anything ---at all--- about YOUR bible? Apparently not. Read the verses from ENTIRE RD1 in which you apparently did not do and answer the questions of do you deserve to die Y____? N____? for breaking them? I don’t. Nor does anybody else. Then get back to me and there’s plenty more. Would you like some of those verses?

“The fact that the bible has so many translations is actually good” Really? According to what? NO ONE.In me doing this for 40+ years and talking with roughly 25,000 people or so, absolutely no one has stated that. Not one person. continuing “they can be checked back with each other and major mistakes…” That can only be a 16 year old autistic person talking and saying that. No offense because you obviously didn’t think things through and you clearly had to invent that excuse. Ready? You are not going to like it… How would anyone know about any mistakes, where they are, what mistakes they are, from which bible’s they are, how to correct them, from which translations, from which copy, and how do you trace it back to any original in the first place to trace it back to any original that has yet to be found, so that anyone can find any mistakes so that mistakes can be removed and THEN you have to start all over from ground 0 and then you have to INTERPRET from there to make the bible understandable so that ev-er-yb-ody can read it in all languages there are which is a true 100% impossibility. That’s why NO GOD WHATSOEVER would EVER choose text form, the worst form of communications possible instead of him just coming on down and talking to us. Simple way of solving things. And since this god of yours did not, or will not, or for some reason cannot, or he does not care enough to do this, or he---does---not---exist.

The bible has not remained quite consistent. That’s the problem. Not by a longshot. I can prove that. But that's another subject.

“The bible doesn't endorse slavery,” I never said that. I said “he adores slavery (both OT and NT),” And actually its both YOUR god and christ that does with countless verse after verse which is evil and bent on hate and you have no defense for, none. Read this...https://godisimaginary.com...

“Not to mention that just as children are expected to honer their parents,” OH FOR GOD’S SAKE do YOU think that people should be put to death for cursing at their parents? Y____? N____? Is a 100% stupid law thought up by a stupid god in which in no way can possibly be put into practice especially if their parents abuse their kids. PERIOD. Now I am really losing my patience with you young lady. Answer the simple of simplest questions and DO NOT swerve from it. Of course the answer is a big fat NO!! Its should NOT be any type of an issue whatsoever and yet its printed in YOUR ABUSIVE bible at least 5 fricken times.

“I take just about everything literally in the bible unless stated otherwise.” Well see, its an impossibility, That's what your god and the bible expects you to do. AND how can you possibly do that with the NLT considering the ABSOLUTE fact that what you read IS a translation? Considering the fact that it is a translation coming from who knows where and who did the translating, who knows how many mistakes they made with their ungodly and unholy misinterpretations?

“We are expected to interpret…” Who’s this “we” stuff? Um no, its “you”. You believe in YOUR god. I have the intelligence and education to not. So its not “we”, its “you”. BIG DIFFERENCE.

The “holy spirit” of what exactly? You once again cannot even prove your god exists. Every religion has a god and a devi of some type. A holy spirit is a tree to some religions and they happen to be right.

“God talks to people sometimes,..” You cannot even prove it. “sometimes”, well why not all the time? I mean after all everybody is born an atheist. So how does this god of YOURS begin a dialogue with people? How does he with children? Indeed, they MUST be taught about this god of YOURS. How are they to know of this god, that it is him of the bible to begin with? Who would want it to be with all of his hateful and evil violence?

“I have directly heard him,” Since you are only 16 and autistic, that is 100% suspect.to absolute and total disbelief and can easily be explained by gullibility. What about having something that is tangible?

“God literally created us,” WHOAH stop right there young lady. You do realize that you have just waged war on me and BILLIONS of others who do not believe in the crap and true hatred and evil that you believe in with the billions neatly stacked up on the battlefields alone all in the supposed “good” name of YOUR god with plenty more to come IF revelations is to come true? My my my what a great god that cherishes hate and war so much.

There is no law to follow. Oh you mean like the jokes of law for the 10 commandments? In which no god would put into play not ever? In which 8 of them this country does not follow? In which 4 of them are geared towards his self righteous bloated superior ego complex? In which there’s nothing for children such as “thou shall always protect and do no harm unto children” You mean something like that in which your god truly hates children?

“The law… Damn right I break those commandments. Damn right I break Deuteronomy 13 9-10 and 17 2-5 and others as mentioned in RD1 + many more in which cannot possibly and should not be followed.

Strange isn’t it, you have yet to say one, just one good thing about YOUR god. Now why is that?

god provided no gays nor Adam ans Eve with knowledge as to the "why"” That’s Because everything he says simply ridiculous. Regardless, no matter what, everything should always be questioned. If you don’t, then you are an idiot. OK go jump into a volcano. Would you do it if YOUR god said for you to? I bet you would.

"Suppose a man has intercourse with a young woman…” There is NO GOOD REASON FOR THIS!!!!!!! “A man has intercourse with a young woman” So right off the bat you AND your god support pedophilia, then you support rape for one, prostitution for a second, and absolute slavery for a third. Great going god for approving of it. Great going you for approving of it. Great going bible for even printing it. Hey, has the fricken bible ever heard of the process called “editing”? Nah.

First of all, the great flood and Noah’s ark never happened. Secondly, according to the bible, your god must have snuffed out babies suckling on their mother’s nipples. But I guess that’s perfectly OK to you. He must have also snuffed out pregnant mothers. That’s the first sign of abortions in which you christians are so against. So that’s being contradictory and hypocritical in 2 ways. YOUR god kills, but man can’t. Thou shalt not kill. Oh please. Because later your god instructs man to kill.

Am out of space.
Arganger

Pro

Before I get into what you have to say this time, let's get back to the original question: There are many instances in the bible where it states you should be put to death. Do you deserve it?

According to basic logic, according to the bible yes. The standard we are expected to follow, by the literal king of the universe and creator, is perfection and anything below that is a breach of his law, and the punishment for that is death. As he created everything, it all belongs to him and it is his right to do whatever he pleases with it, so if he makes a rule for it and it is broken, it is within his right to enforce it, even with death.

Now back to what you have had to say.
"I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin" You failed to explain how that is contradictory, that is an introduction as paul is the one who actively wrote it down.

-why believe in sin in the first place from that idiot god? Why not believe in happiness, care for each other, kindness, love? After all if god is god he could have brought in an era of peace, gentleness, kindness, love and not all these DELIBERATE genocides, hate, wars, needless deaths, love of raped women, bloodshed, greed, anger, wrath, vengeance, rage, fury, jealousy etc etc etc? Why is there so much emphasis on hell and sinning?- Like I said, free will brought evil not him. There isn't an emphasis on hell and sinning, it is a reality and mentioned as such, and as warning. The emphasis is actually on the hope to be free of sin, and of life in God, it's just that some christians who use God for their own interests instead of seeking a relationship with him, who sometimes try to make hell the focus.

- Since I do not believe in god, I believe in happiness and care for each other, peace, kindness, love, etc without the evils, hate - Without God there is no point, we will all die anyway and without God for that reason nothing we would do would matter as it would all be forgotten in a few years and you would be dust, heck, if I didn't believe in God I would just do whatever I wanted to without a care, probably kill some people even because It just wouldn't matter in the end you just cannot be held accountable if their is only a hundred years or so to live.

I'm not happy, kind or loving, hence why I and you need God.

I will get into freewill if I want too.

Humans weren't meant to sin, and therefore not meant to go to hell, hell was created when a third of the angels rebelled under satan, God proceeded with the knowingly incorrect hope that people would fall back on him instead of sin and not have to go. And God doesn't owe you proof of either existing.

-Well goody for me!!! All the more power to me and billions of others for not believing in him. And serial killers, torturers, rapists, sodomizers, Hitler because he was a devout christian- If you hate God, good for you, hell is your choice because that is all that is free of him. And yes, serial killers, torturers, rapists, and sodomizers are in heaven (Possibly hitler but it is possible he was using that for political leverage and not a true christian), if they chose to follow God and to try to turn from their ways, but to God all sin deserves the ultimate punishment of death because it is all infinitely evil, for that reason if he is to be willing to give anyone mercy, he gives all the chance for mercy regardless of crime. It's called unyielding mercy, if someone chooses to turn to God instead of sin, he will see that instead of their past.

Like I said, I don't have to put you to death because I don't live in the old testament, god is the judge not me, and I follow God's rules out of love not fear of punishment.

He gave people free will so they can choose to break the law, NOT so people can avoid consequences.

Yes, I deserve to die and so do you. By God's grace alone, do I not.

-Really? According to what? NO ONE.In me doing this for 40+ years and talking with roughly 25,000 people or so, absolutely no one has stated that.- Have you read several versions together? Because I have, and the difference between translations in minimal. Would you rather have one thousand people copy a book after hearing it read aloud several times and you have the choice to view and compare them, or one guy? And God gives us the holy spirit to figure it out in life, not just the bible. And he is down with us, as he is omnipresent, but he owes no one direct constant communication, he has tried that more than once and the moment he stops we twist it, he really doesn't owe anyone anything and the bible is what he gave.

You constantly state you don't think he exists, while simultaneously hating him, it cannot be both.

You have yet to prove how he adores slavery, and I don't even have the space to correct an entire article on top of your argument, Like I said the slavery explained by the bible is not the same as what happened in america, it resembles indentured servitude, and tells masters to treat these servants well, just as servants are to respect their master. You have yet to prove otherwise or even attempt to do so.

-OH FOR GOD"S SAKE do YOU think that people should be put to death for cursing at their parents? Y____? N____?- YES (Deserves death), regardless of what parents have done to a child, cursing at a parent is sin to, and does not get counteracted by what a parent did to the person.

We, is everyone. Regardless of if you believe in God, that is still the expectation, the denial of truth doesn't keep it for being true, if I said you don't have to breath to live, and I stopped breathing, I would still die. And for the sake of this debate, God still expects that even if you don't believe according to the bible, even if he wasn't real that would still be a fact of the bible.

- I have the intelligence and education to not.- Level of education and intellect has nothing to do with believing in God.

holy spirit: part of the one true God, the word of the lord as it lives and is written on the heart, the great comforter, a spiritual lawyer, and a friend of every christian.

No, I cannot prove that God has talked to me, that doesn't make it untrue, nor am I alone. Not all the time because he uses different tactics to teach everyone, and actively avoids it using every more subtle answer possible first, and often will let people try to figure things out themselves.He owes it to no one. He has only talked to me when I have been in my greatest frustrations, and he says little but just enough, often a simple "I am with you". My age and disability has nothing to do with this, and another diagnosis of mine keeps my from being all that gullible, oppositional defiant disorder. When I was little particularly I would disagree, argue with and disobey everything my parents told me, yet I still believed in God.

I have no tangible evidence because that is not how god operates, and proving the existence of God (or the nonexistence) is impossible, and also not the point of this debate, but I have seen someone paralyzed from the waist down walk do to God alone, and have seen someone who was diagnosed with cancer over and over be cancer free before any treatments after a dream about it,through God, and I have seen people who have done horrible things change before my eyes and become some of the sweetest nicest people you would ever meet, I have felt demons, and I known many people even my own sister to have seen demons. I Go to a small little lutheran church, and have seen the works of God many a time, and it is amazing. That might not be proof enough for you, but it is for me.

We are talking about whether or not it is acceptable for God to kill us, so within the borders of the argument the assumption that according to christianity God created us is not an insult. I'm not sure if you noticed but in revelation after every advent people are given the chance to repent, so they really do actively choose that, not to mention in revelation christians are refused to work or buy anything without denouncing God, and are executed by worshipers of the beast.

-Oh you mean like the jokes of law for the 10 commandments? In which no god would put into play not ever? In which 8 of them this country does not follow? In which 4 of them are geared towards his self righteous bloated superior ego complex? In which there"s nothing for children such as "thou shall always protect and do no harm unto children" You mean something like that in which your god truly hates children?- All ten commandments apply to children as well, not just adults so there is no need. He is allowed to tell people to not have other Gods, that is adultery in itself, not worshiping idols applies the same way, would you want people to use your name as an insult or to push an agenda(People who put up signs like the "God hates gays" one, are actively breaking that rule, and so were the crusaders), and the sabbath keeps people from overworking themselves. Even if it was ego, he would have the right to that.

-Strange isn"t it, you have yet to say one, just one good thing about YOUR god. Now why is that?- Because you are only looking for things to hate about him even if you have to stretch it.

-God provided no gays nor Adam ans Eve with knowledge as to the "why"" That"s Because everything he says simply ridiculous. Regardless, no matter what, everything should always be questioned. If you don"t, then you are an idiot. OK go jump into a volcano. Would you do it if YOUR god said for you to? I bet you would. - Yes he did, for adam and eve he said it would lead to death, for gays, It is considered an abomination against how god created them and the sanctity of marriage, same with polygamy, bestality, and having sex with close family members (Plus the act of being attracted to a man isn't a sin, it is the acting on it).

For the next paragraph I am almost out for room, so no, God doesn't support rape in the least, reread
Debate Round No. 3
backwardseden

Con

I cannot converse with you anymore.
Thankfully I have enough common sense, reasoning, thinking, rationalization, and logic in which you nor your coughed upped sickened diseased god nor your stinking fricken bible and religion has, to skim through things before I even compose an argument.
Since you said something that is so way way way uncalled for and is way off base and is far off long before the big bang, in which would eventually cause the extinction of the human race by sheer will power of man being better than god, in which he is, and you cannot even prove your god exists nor can anyone, by your ruling, I mean are you SERIOUS? A child should be put to death for cursing at their parents? 100% WRONG and NOBODY who is SANE on this planet will EVER agree with you on this planet.

NOBODY deserves to die under the horrifying rule of YOUR god for any reason. Nobody.

Now I am going to repeat the same thing as stated in RD2 about sinning to prove that sinning does---not---exist in your bible because it is contradictory and hypocritical . “Yes” and “No” cancel each other out.... Does every man sin? Yes. There is no man who does not sin (I Kings 8:46; see also 2 Chronicles 6:36; Proverbs 20:9; Ecclesiastes 7:20; and I John 1:810) No. True Christians cannot possibly sin, because they are the children of God. Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is a child of God.. (I John 5:1). We should be called children of God; and so we are (I John 3: 1). He who loves is born of God (I John 4:7). No one born of God commits sin; for Gods nature abides in him, and he cannot sin because he is born of God (I John 3:9). But, then again, Yes! If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us (I John 1:8)

We-are-done. I easily declare myself the winner of this debate. And so would everybody else who is wise, intelligent, and sober.

Summary
Since sin is so contradictory and hypocritical with “Yes” and “No” as they cancel each other out in your bible and they thus become worthless, as proved in both this round and in round 2 sin becomes a worthless commodity. So why worry about it as you do, more than anybody else I’ve even known, and not live your life of happiness?

Arganger

Pro

You call yourself rational, yet you hate a God you claim not to believe in with a burning passion. There is nothing more irrational than to hate something to that extent that you don't believe exists.

Man is not better than God, because it is impossible for a work of art to be better than the artist, and the same logic applies here, Not to mention that as God, God is the one who gets to decide those rules.

For most of your points to fail to backup as too why.

-NOBODY who is SANE on this planet will EVER agree with you on this planet- that is a ridiculous statement, you cannot physically know.

-NOBODY deserves to die under the horrifying rule of YOUR god for any reason. Nobody.- As God being well, God, that is up to him not you.

None of those verses contradict themselves at all, we sin but in the moment we sin we are not acting as children of God, we are acting as children of sin, and in one moment you cannot be both.

This is a debate, you cannot and may not declare yourself the winner of this debate, that is up to the voters. And regardless of whether they agree with you or not, they might still be wise, intelligent, and sober.

I don't worry about sin, as I said I follow Gods law out of love, not out of fear, he has done more than you can know for me and that is enough for me, I can never repay his kindness and mercy so I will simply try to follow his commandments with all my heart, those who I see do that best are the happiest people I know, and you simply don't sound happy at all to me.

But regardless that has nothing to do with the original question.

You have spent the entire debate relying quite consistently on personal insults, so most likely I will at least win that category.

And yes, we are done, this is the last round, that has nothing to do with your frustration.

Good day.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by whiteflame 4 months ago
whiteflame
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6 point to Pro (Conduct, Arguments, Sources). Reasons for voting decision: I am going with Pro for this one, the reason, all Con was doing was making statements, they were not backing it up with valid evidence, and in the first round Con was using $$ instead of ss in his little cuss word, so into this, Pro had the better conduct.

[*Reason for removal*] (1) Arguments are insufficiently explained. The voter is required to examine specific points made by both debaters and determine the winner based on a comparison of those points. Generalizing about what one side did is not sufficient. (2) Sources are insufficiently explained. The voter has to explain what they mean by "valid evidence," and why one side had it and the other did not.
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Posted by backwardseden 5 months ago
backwardseden
@zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Pro Arganger is autistic you know. So yeah its NOT hilarious by any means. I tried my best to make things stand out so she could hopefully read RD2 better.
Posted by zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz 5 months ago
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
backwardseden, I gotta admit, the font change thing was hilarious
Posted by dsjpk5 5 months ago
dsjpk5
I've never heard of the "outhouse Bible". Who publishes it?
Posted by NDECD1441 5 months ago
NDECD1441
Woah, I understand your love and respect for other religions but lets not take this too extreme okay?
Posted by backwardseden 5 months ago
backwardseden
@Moelogy - And even better is you cannot even prove that your ridiculous noosed snot meat sow god who truly hates children even exists. So how can christ have all these so-called revelations without proof of god? Wow perhaps YOU have revelations indeed. And that BOP is always upon you to prove that this hateful thing named god even exists. Oh wait, that's not even his real name. Do you know what god's real name in the bible is? Now how can you prove something that is unproved? And great! Since you think you can prove god, you'd be the only person out of about 7.5 billion or so on the planet that can. And even better, since you think you can you'd be the only quadrillioniare on the planet and your religion of god would be the only religion.
https://www.youtube.com... whpo - proves god to be nothing but absolute pure evil to begin with. And wow your precious creationists will NOT put your god on trial again. Now why is that? Oh yes, they utterly lack the confidence that they will win. That's because they have---no--evidence---to---prove---their---god just like you who everything is based on faith in which cannot be proved. And since you think you are so smart, then YOU put god on trial again and see how far you get with your science nothings that nobody else will because there's no evidence, no nothing.
I really like this one https://www.youtube.com...
Also tell me and everybody in the world why miracles have slowed down to a complete halt and they all have been debunked in today's society? Every---single---one? In other words, use your head. YOU are far too good for god's utter nonsense. AND YOU KNOW IT!!!!!!!!!
Posted by backwardseden 5 months ago
backwardseden
@Moelogy - OK I'll post the exact same thing then.And then I'll humiliate, degrade and dehumanize you some more. How's that for a plan? You and your kind are so ridiculously pathetic.
From my previous post to you on another debate since its so difficult for you to do something as wide and as vast as "reading" I stated "@Moelogy Matthew 5: 29 - 30 "And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. 30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell." Such wonderful charming huggable verses from such a wonderful book.
34 "But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:" So god and jesus are 2 separate entities. Period. Now we both know that jesus broke many of god's laws such as working on the sabbath which was punishable by death. jesus did not have permission from god to break any of his laws, rules or regulations. Therefore god's laws rules and regulations still stand tall and jesus should have been put to death right then and there. Indeed jesus IS/ was a false prophet, christianity is false, the NT is false. The jews have it right and they are still waiting for their messiah."
Now updated info which was not included in my previous post... you find me anywhere in your bible where it states something like "I the lord thy god grants jesus to break my laws, rules and regulations and thus bring in your own laws, rules and regulations so that they remain truthful and true." The fact of the matter is, sorry you scummy little brat, who thinks he knows oh so much about his god, jesus, bible and religion... it does not exist anywhere. So once again god's rules, regulations, and laws stand tall and jesus is fake, christianity is fake, so it the NT. Sheesh
Posted by zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz 5 months ago
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
I agree, and you're an insufferable idiot.
Posted by Moelogy 5 months ago
Moelogy
@backwardsden Love your debating style of just deny deny, deny, strawman, do not answer the rebuttal, deny, deny, link to some imaginary place where you never responded to the rebuttal. You are the pinnacle of Cognitive dissonance
Posted by backwardseden 5 months ago
backwardseden
@Moelogy - Oh gee I posted the exact correct answer to that very question to absolutely debunk your statement on my other debate in which you posted upon a few moments ago. christ is false. christianity is false. The NT is false.
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