The Instigator
InfraRedEd
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HalakMushareff
Con (against)
Winning
14 Points

There are more churches than Circle Ks

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 4/13/2009 Category: Religion
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
Viewed: 1,412 times Debate No: 7826
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InfraRedEd

Pro

Well either there are or there aren't.
HalakMushareff

Con

The Circle K corporate website states that "there are more than 4000" Circle K stores internationally.
(http://www.circlek.com...)
I will be generous and say that this number is 4,999 for the purpose of this debate. (We know that there are less than 5000 stores internationally or the website would state so. Now the know how many Circle K's there are internationally let's examine how many churches there are in New York City. ROFL I just realized that I read the topic wrong. You win
Debate Round No. 1
InfraRedEd

Pro

Not so fast. Maybe what I really meant was there are more churches than convenience stores. Such a figure of speech, a synecdoche, is a type of metaphor and one could not be blamed for supposing that common parlance to be intended. Who knows, maybe even grocery chains are similar enough to Circle K stores to be included. If churches are also similar enough then you have an auto win. No geographical scope was specified so maybe there is a part of the world, certainly any Circle K. Out of space.
HalakMushareff

Con

Albeit, I concede. Next time I will read the title carefully : )
Debate Round No. 2
InfraRedEd

Pro

There is no such thing in the rules. You must debate.
HalakMushareff

Con

Since the Instigator failed to set a geographic location I will assume that he means "There are more churches than Circle Ks on Telecom Parkway in Temple Terrace Florida." There are in fact no churches on this street and one Circle K. This is easily verifiable by using www.google.com or any reliable GPS tool.
Debate Round No. 3
InfraRedEd

Pro

An assumption so obviousit I shouldn't have to state it nor the assumption that what I really meant was that there are more pictures of churches than pictures of Circle Ks. Of course every Circle K sells Hallmark Cards and newspapers and magazines with lots of pictures in them but the churches do not have pictures of Circle Ks.
But we are debating what I said, not what I meant, and that Circle K thinks it's in Tampa.
Besides people have gotten married in Circle Ks so they are churches too.
HalakMushareff

Con

HalakMushareff forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
InfraRedEd

Pro

What is needed is some way to resign. The voting system should evaluate the merits of the arguments. It seems to be mainly for the benefit of management. How about some more flexibility or even negotiability during the debate of the debate parameters: number of rounds, time, length... How about a forum for discussing these topics? Do the Terms of Service permit posting of links to other debate sites such as http://www.greatdebateforum.com... ? Is it really appropriate to do so?
HalakMushareff

Con

In Soviet Russia link posts you!
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by RoyLatham 8 years ago
RoyLatham
"Circle K International is comprised of Master Franchised locations in Guam and five countries outside the US, including Japan, China (PRC, Hong Kong and Macau), Indonesia, Vietnam and Mexico. Drawing from trend-setting convenience store ideas and advances, we've built a global retailing system of over 3,600 franchised Circle K stores located in these countries."
Posted by Kleptin 8 years ago
Kleptin
I didn't want to limit the scope of the debate because there are 5 rounds and PRO can easily correct his argument >.>
Posted by RoyLatham 8 years ago
RoyLatham
Circle K's are convenience stores, mostly located in the southern U.S. They might not be known even to people in New England.

One line of argument is that for Southerners who virtually worship beer and potato chips, Circle K's *are* churches, and therefore the resolution is ill-defined.
Posted by PervRat 8 years ago
PervRat
Is there even a Circle K outside of North America?

There sure are a lot of churches all over the world, even if they didn't greatly outnumber the Circle Ks as they seem to just confining the argument to the U.S.

The only edifices I think rival churches in number would be homes (obviously more) and business primary in the business of selling alcoholic beverages (bars + liquor stores).
Posted by arcticanticsdebater 8 years ago
arcticanticsdebater
What's the point?
Posted by arcticanticsdebater 8 years ago
arcticanticsdebater
What's the point of this debate?
Posted by alto2osu 8 years ago
alto2osu
Uh...what's the point of this debate? Like, is there some sort of underlying statement or principle you are trying to get at, like the fact that one institution is more prevalent than the other is good or bad? If so, could you be explicit?
Posted by Ragnar_Rahl 8 years ago
Ragnar_Rahl
Cause I'm fairly sure it would be involved lol.
Posted by Ragnar_Rahl 8 years ago
Ragnar_Rahl
I know a loophole for it, but it would be a waste of my time to create it.
Posted by Kleptin 8 years ago
Kleptin
I can't find a loophole for this argument yet.
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