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Darkwinn
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rottingroom
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There are more elements on the periodic table

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 4/4/2013 Category: Science
Updated: 4 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Debate Rounds (3)
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Darkwinn

Pro

There are.
rottingroom

Con

I accept.

Pro assumes BOF.

There are not more than 118 arguments on the periodic table.
Debate Round No. 1
Darkwinn

Pro

There will be more elements discovered on the periodic table, but it will take a while to confirm them. These new elements will exist for possibly fractions of seconds, but exist nonetheless. Also, if an element with a big enough atomic number is synthesized, then more will be created if the super heavy undergoes alpha decay. Also, our universe is seemingly infinite, odds are, there are perfect conditions for period 8 elements, or at least conditions suitable enough to create them in the first place.
rottingroom

Con

I apologize about my last post. I meant to say elements and not arguments but I updated the post from my phone and it was auto-corrected. In any case I'm 100% sure that Pro has no ground in this debate. Because of the way he worded his claim all I have to do is to prove that there are not more than 118 elements on the periodic table.

[1] Wikipedia defines the periodic table as a tabular display of the chemical elements, organized on the basis of their atomic numbers, electron configurations, and recurring chemical properties.

[2] Similarly Merriam-Webster's Encyclopedia definition says it is an organizedarray of all the chemical elements in approximately increasing order of their atomic weight.

From these defintions we can see that the periodic table makes no suggestion that the elements it consists of represent a complete picture of the elements in the entire universe.The elements from 1 to 98have been found to exist naturally. The elements after 98 up to 118 have only been synthesized in laboratories. Production of elements beyond ununoctium is being pursued, with the question of how the periodic table may need to be modifiedto accommodate any such additions being a matter of ongoing debate.

Please click the following like to observe an image of the periodic table:

http://upload.wikimedia.org...

As you can see, there are only 118 elements and none more than that.


1. http://en.wikipedia.org...

2. http://www.merriam-webster.com...





Debate Round No. 2
Darkwinn

Pro

This debate was clearly worded incorrectly and as a newbie, I would like to shut it down. But, my reply to your round would be

"But...science"
rottingroom

Con

Extend all arguments.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Darkwinn 4 years ago
Darkwinn
Several elements which it's discovery has not been officially confirmed are already on the existing table. Take element 118 for example
Posted by rottingroom 4 years ago
rottingroom
That's true. It would be like that but his choice of words in the claim are at fault for that.
Posted by tmar19652 4 years ago
tmar19652
That would be like saying that a debate is about cats and then saying no orange cats are allowed.
Posted by rottingroom 4 years ago
rottingroom
But his claim does. His claim doesn't consider an extended table. His claim says the word "periodic table".
Posted by tmar19652 4 years ago
tmar19652
Yes they are, your definitions do not disqualify the extended table.
Posted by rottingroom 4 years ago
rottingroom
Well if they are not discovered they are not displayed.
Posted by tmar19652 4 years ago
tmar19652
"Tabular display of the elements". You did not specify if they had to be discovered or not.
Posted by rottingroom 4 years ago
rottingroom
Nope he said periodic table. In round 2 I provided definitions of the periodic table. He made no attempt to object to my definitions.
Posted by tmar19652 4 years ago
tmar19652
He also did not say it could not be extended.
Posted by rottingroom 4 years ago
rottingroom
You see Tamar that well and good but you posted a link the EXTENDED periodic table. Pro didnt say that in the claim. I'm not sure what you don't understand about that.
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro's resolution was... :s Also, he provides no sources for his assertions.
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Reasons for voting decision: Conduct to Con because Pro failed to put anything in the second round, so he may as well have forfeited. Arguments to Con as he made convincing arguments that weren't refuted and sources to Con because he used some.
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro had the obligation to write a clear resolution. The way get beyond the forty characters of the title is ti give enough background info in the challenge to make the subject clear. I thought that Pro wa going to arguethat one of the existing elements was really two, or that somehow one had been missed in the sequence. In a science debate, the rule is to qote scientific sources. Do web search to find a textbook or an expert opinion that supports your case. Neither side used references.
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Reasons for voting decision: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_periodic_table Pro gets arguments
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Reasons for voting decision: This was a simple one. The debate topic was a question of fact, and rottingroom provided a link to a periodic table showing exactly 118 elements while Darkwinn did not provide any supporting evidence.
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro dropped all arguments in the end. Be very careful on writing the resolution.
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Reasons for voting decision: Conduct: FF Spelling: Autocorrect is a curse :P Arguments and Sources: Derp