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motherengine
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There is a rational reason not rape and murder a child

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Started: 4/28/2015 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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motherengine

Con

I cannot imagine a rational reason why someone who wanted to do such a thing, did not care about the effects the act would have on others, and had no fear of the possible consequences, should not.

This debate is obviously intended to be disturbing and provocative. My reason for taking a devil"s advocate position concerning what many would find a thoroughly reprehensible action is because I am genuinely curious to find out if anyone can successfully formulate a rational argument against such an action; I doubt that it can be done.

Surprise me.
8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA

Pro

Con states some things about the individual committing the act.

First they state that this individual does not care for the effect their action is having on others, secondly they state that this person has no fear of the consequences. This would mean that the person neither cared about their action resulting in the death of the other nor in the sexual molestation of them. In other words, if one is lacking any care for the future effects of their actions, they'd have no motivation to do it in the first place. One can't suddenly not care about any negative consequences but care about any positive consequences of an action. That is an unreasonable assumption for Con to make about this imaginary individual.

If an individual has no worry or fear of the consequences of their action they must be either too stupid to be able to predict the result of any action they make or too unemotional to care despite knowing it. In the case of stupidity/ignorance, the person would be just as oblivious to the potential orgasm and power rush or gain of whatever kind they'd gain from the murder. In the case of the unemotional individual, if they don't care about the effect their actions would have on others, there'd be no joy of raping or killing. In other words, to be able to enjoy murder or rape, one must genuinely care about the horrific loss of power and safety they're giving their victim and must sadistically thrive in this emotional environment. If a person is simply neutral and uncaring they're more of a sociopath but not a full blown psychopath. They wouldn't have a single motive to do either act.

I conclude that the individual that con has described would have absolutely no reason to commit rape or murder.
Debate Round No. 1
motherengine

Con

1:

Clarification for the sake of motivation: The hypothetical individual cares about the pleasure he/she will receive due to following an impulse to have sex with, and kill a child. Any affect on the child is secondary to the pleasure of the individual.

The wording "did not care about the effects the act would have on others" was made for the sake of simplicity; I will add that the individual does not sympathize or empathize with the emotions of those who will be affected by the child"s rape and murder.

But this is a semantic digression.

2:

The lack of fear does not have to be due to stupidity or lack of emotion, but rather could be due to a delusional sense of power and control.

An imaginary individual can have any imaginary motive required to serve the argument.

Point:

Pro is concentrating on semantics rather than giving a rational reason for the individual not to commit the act.
8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA

Pro

8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
motherengine

Con

It seems as though Pro has not found this debate worth pursuing.

I will simply reiterate that an individual who feels the desire to rape and murder a child can be given no rational reason not to do so; especially if he/she fears no consequence and has no care for the emotional reactions of others.

The central idea being that appeals concerning moral belief and behavior are not rational; therefore, when reason is used to make a moral appeal, it is usurped and made critically inert by the emotions involved.
8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA

Pro

Con reorganized the personality and mentality of the individual describe din Round 1 in Round 2. They suddenly say they care about pleasure and have a motive.

In Round 1, they say the person is incapable of considering consequences of actions and the effect their actions have on other people. The entire joy of rape and murder is the knowledge that your actions are either going to make the person suffer heavily or they are going to end their life. Neither can be understood by someone void of consequence consideration and ignorant to the effects of their actions.

The Round 2 individual would not get much pleasure in prison so I have no clue why someone who wants a pleasurable life would intentionally do a top tier crime that will ensure many decades of hell for themselves.

Checkmate.

I win this debate, thanks and goodbye.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Furyan5 2 years ago
Furyan5
Not to someone who knows no other way.
Posted by vi_spex 2 years ago
vi_spex
belief is illogical
Posted by vi_spex 2 years ago
vi_spex
the right way, is the moral way, is the logical way
Posted by Furyan5 2 years ago
Furyan5
Well before you can give a valid reason not to do something you need a valid reason to do it.
Posted by 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA 2 years ago
8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA
Furyan you are not understand which way around the debate is.
Posted by Furyan5 2 years ago
Furyan5
There used to be a sector of society in africa who believed having sex with a child would cure aids and that the bodyparts of a child are the most potent when used in magic potions. Witchdoctors seemed to be the instigators behind these atrocities and hopefully they have all been arrested. But would religious beliefs qualify as a rational reason?
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