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mongeese
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Nails
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There is no Link between smoking cigarettes and lung cancer.

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Started: 12/20/2009 Category: Health
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mongeese

Pro

Link - a fictional character, a legendary swordsman dressed in green wielding a variety of abilities and equipment, and the main protagonist in Nintendo's The Legend of Zelda series of video games (http://en.wikipedia.org...(The_Legend_of_Zelda))

Smoking cigarettes - http://www.ubergizmo.com...

Lung cancer - a disease of uncontrolled cell growth in tissues of the lung (http://en.wikipedia.org...)

I contend that the very idea of a fictional video game character being between an action and a disease is preposterous. Link is currently in video games, and video games are concrete nouns that cannot be between a general action and a general disease.

I await my opponent's explanation as to how a video game character got between smoking cigarettes and lung cancer. Good luck.
Nails

Con

My opponent has made a brazen claim which he has given no evidence whatsoever to back up.

Smoking, as well as the lung cancer that accompanies it, dates back over 3000 years.[1] Tobacco is no new sophisticated drug, but an ancient herb that has been smoked since the earth was young. I would think it unreasonable to simply assume that such a time-honored practice of recreational drug use could never have developed in Hyrule.

This claim begins to seem more absurd once one considers the many multiple universes all with their own Links. Over 157 million copies of The Legend of Zelda games have been sold.[2] In each of these, there is a separate Hyrule with a separate Link, and each universe plays out in a slightly different way, depending on the actions of the person playing the game. Not to mention, some people are way too addicted to Zelda[3], having played through the game multiple times. PRO asserts that there is no Link located between smoking and lung cancer, so I should hope that he can provide the whereabouts of these 100s of millions of Links in their respective Hyrules.

Next, what about hacks? People can do just about anything to video games now-a-days, and being that The Legend of Zelda is a very common video game, many hacks have been developed for it.[4][5][6] Who's to say nobody has modified their copy of The Legend of Zelda to include some stoned hippies in it? I have no idea how PRO plans to prove this hasn't happened.

I am horribly addicted to nicotine, smoking atleast 4 full packs of cigarettes daily, usually smoking 2 cigs at a time. In fact, I just took out my lighter from my back pocket, grabbed 2 loosies from my pack, and lit up. Now, my grandfather is dying of lung cancer (bless his heart!), so he knows the harms of cigarettes. He's been right behind me this whole time, scowling at me as I lit my joints. I'm currently keeping my eyes glued to the computer screen for fear of catching his wrathful gaze should I turn around.

Why does this matter, you ask? Because that lighter in my back pocket happens to be this lighter: http://cgi.ebay.com...
It's my custom-made Legend of Zelda cigarette lighter, complete with Link on the front. Link is currently located in my back pocket, behind the smoking cigarettes that are in my mouth and in front of the lung cancer located in my grand father. Thus, there is a Link between smoking cigarettes and lung cancer. PRO cannot prove that this is not so.

But disregarding that, there's also some pretty solid evidence here: http://www.debate.org... You can unlock this scene in the game Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap.

[1] http://www.go4cigarettes.com...
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org...
[3] http://www.chickensmoothie.com...
[4] http://www.romhacking.net...
[5] http://wiibrew.org...
[6] http://www.joystiq.com...
Debate Round No. 1
mongeese

Pro

My opponent claims that cigarettes could be around in Hyrule. However, Hyrule is a virtual world. Whatever the developers did not program into Hyrule is not in Hyrule, period. In the whole of the Zelda series, no game has included cigarettes [1], so there are no cigarettes in Hyrule.
Additionally, the staple crop of Hyrule is the pumpkin [2]. Hyrule also grows beans [3]. There are pretty much no other crops in Hyrule. Tobacco probably isn't even grown anywhere near Hyrule, as Hyrule is relatively young compared to Earth [4], with no real technological advances since its birth, so evolution probably has not had enough time to produce any drugs that could be used to manufacture cigarettes. Additionally, even given the numerous rebellious gangs in Hyrule [5], not a single reference is made to any sort of drug, period, even though smoking is a common method of rebellion for kids [6], so one must logically conclude that the kids don't even know of such drugs, because such drugs do not exist in Hyrule or the surrounding trading partner areas.

My opponent cites "multiple universes all with their own Links." He claims that in one of these universes, one Link must have discovered tobacco, or something of the sort. However, this greatly exaggerates the power one has in the game to deviate from the plotline. It is impossible for Link to do anything that he was not programmed to do. For example, none of the Links would end up building an airplane, because there is no programmed way for Link to obtain metal, tools, etc. There are absolutely no tobacco seeds or anything in any Zelda games for Link to plant and grow his own tobacco. Link isn't even programmed to smoke anything. Nobody in all of Hyrule is programmed to smoke anything. In short, nobody can smoke anything in Hyrule.

My opponent claims that hacks may have programmed "stoned hippies" in a Legend of Zelda game, and placed Link between people smoking cigarettes and someone with lung cancer. There are numerous problems.
First of all, for the resolution to be true, whatever game had this absurd hack (I seriously doubt there are any) would have to actually be on. Otherwise, Link would be off, and would no longer be between smoking cigarettes and lung cancer.
Secondly, just because there are stoned hippies, doesn't mean that the action of smoking cigarettes has manifested itself. Smoking cigarettes is an action, and actions are not confined to certain locations. For example, it is impossible for something to be between swimming and snorkeling. Sure, it might be between people that are swimming and people that are snorkeling, but those people do not come to represent the actual actions themselves.
Finally, lung cancer does not exist in video games, because cells do not exist in video games. Video game characters are not made up of cells, but pixels [7]. Therefore, with no cells, there is no uncontrolled cell growth, and therefore no lung cancer. In fact, there wouldn't be any lungs, because when video game characters are programmed, they are only given an outside shell. Link does not have any lungs programmed in his chest, and nor do any other Zelda characters.

My opponent contends that because he has a cigarette lighter with a picture of Link on it between his own smoking cigarettes and his lung cancer-stricken grandfather, Link is between smoking cigarettes and lung cancer. However, this is to assume that a picture of Link could be a substitute for the real thing. Link is not a picture of Link, but Link. A picture of Link is not Link, but a picture of Link. My opponent attempts to use the two interchangeably, but I am not a picture of myself, and a picture of myself is not I.

Finally, my opponent claims to have unlocked a bizarre scene from The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap.
First, I would like to ask, how did you get the scene from Minish Cap onto your computer? What technology did you use? And if you did use a camera, why can't you take a picture of yourself with two smoking cigarettes in your mouth?
Second, how is it that this event does not appear at all in the Minish Cap Zeldapedia articles [8]? If you're so sure that such a scene can be unlocked, why don't you add it? It would give a whole lot of credibility to your statement.
Third, how can a game that came out in 2004 use a picture taken in 2007 [9]?
Finally, I'd like to point out that this is merely Link between a picture of a guy smoking cigarettes and a picture of a cancerous lung. Pictures cannot sub for the real thing.

In conclusion, I have shown my opponent's propositions as to how the resolution could be affirmed to be false.

Good luck, Nails. I'm looking forward to your argument.

1. http://zelda.wikia.com...
2. http://zelda.wikia.com...
3. http://zelda.wikia.com...
4. http://zelda.wikia.com...
5. http://zelda.wikia.com..., http://zelda.wikia.com...
6. http://en.wikipedia.org...
7. http://en.wikipedia.org...
8. http://zelda.wikia.com..., http://zelda.wikia.com...
9. http://www.ubergizmo.com...
Nails

Con

::Cigarettes in Hyrule::

"In the whole of the Zelda series, no game has included cigarettes [1], so there are no cigarettes in Hyrule."

1. He did a search for cigarettes on the 'ZeldaPedia' and came up with no results, but if you'll look at his search, you will notice that their are 26 separate parts of the site that one might search in and he decided to do a search of only 2 of those 26: http://zelda.wikia.com... Searching through the full 26 categories yields multiple results for 'cigarette' http://zelda.wikia.com...

2. I'm not so sure this accounts for anything anyway. Not being located on ZeldaPedia hardly proves that something doesn't exist. It just attests to the laziness of the editors.

3. A page on 'Tobacco' did exist, but there has been a clear cover-up in the works. Somebody by the name of 'Triforce 14' maliciously deleted the article while I was in the process of writing this debate: http://zelda.wikia.com...

4. 'ZeldaPedia' was not found in a Wikipedia search[1] thus ZeldaPedia must not exist to begin with, by this same logic.

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"Additionally, the staple crop of Hyrule is the pumpkin [2]. Hyrule also grows beans [3]."

Additionally, the staple crop of Natives is Maize (corn)[2]. Mayans also grew potatos [3].

I don't see how this precludes Hyruleans growing tobacco any more than it did Americas ancient ancestors.

---

"even given the numerous rebellious gangs in Hyrule [5], not a single reference is made to any sort of drug"

Smoking was not always an act of rebellion. For the vast majority of its use, it was a common leisure time activity.
Only in modern day has smoking become the act of choice of ne'er-do-wells and miscreants. Hyrule, as my opponent stated, is far more closely related to our distant past than our present time, so there is no reason to assume that we would see rebellious youth smoking.

---

"It is impossible for Link to do anything that he was not programmed to do. For example, none of the Links would end up building an airplane, because there is no programmed way for Link to obtain metal, tools, etc."

How do you know? Who's to say that nobody has unlocked Link's Learjet? Here's a clear picture + video of link flying: http://fox4859.deviantart.com...

---

"There are absolutely no tobacco seeds or anything in any Zelda games for Link to plant and grow his own tobacco."

Again, who's to say that nobody has discovered Tobacco seeds? Suppose during that time that I was trying to kill that weird old guy[4] with bombs for hours that one poorly aimed explosion didn't uncover his secret stash? Given the infinite amount of ways one could play through the story, it seems a bit outlandish to conclude such a thing. There is no way to have proof!

---

"Link isn't even programmed to smoke anything. Nobody in all of Hyrule is programmed to smoke anything. In short, nobody can smoke anything in Hyrule."

Hyruleans smoke things all the time: http://www.debate.org...

---

"First of all, for the resolution to be true, whatever game had this absurd hack (I seriously doubt there are any) would have to actually be on. Otherwise, Link would be off, and would no longer be between smoking cigarettes and lung cancer."

Then prove that the hack isn't on.

---

"Secondly, just because there are stoned hippies, doesn't mean that the action of smoking cigarettes has manifested itself."

Duuude...hippies, they...like...smoke a lot...[5]

---

"Smoking cigarettes is an action, and actions are not confined to certain locations. For example, it is impossible for something to be between swimming and snorkeling. Sure, it might be between people that are swimming and people that are snorkeling, but those people do not come to represent the actual actions themselves."

1. Except that smoking wasn't defined as an action; it was defined as a picture. It was clearly a picture of a cigarette that was smoking (was exuding smoke) so 'smoking cigarettes' is clearly a noun + adjective, not verb + direct object.

2. Verbs can act as nouns in the form of gerunds, which end in '-ing' just as 'smoking' does.[6]

3. As PRO says, smoking cigarettes (the verb form) cannot 'be' anywhere, so to define it with a picture as he did would be nonsensical. We can only conclude that it is used as a noun.

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"Finally, lung cancer does not exist in video games, because cells do not exist in video games. Video game characters are not made up of cells, but pixels [7]. Therefore, with no cells, there is no uncontrolled cell growth, and therefore no lung cancer. "

1. Pixels can make up cells. I've played simply flash video games with cells and viri before, where the goal is to infect the cells. Because there were cells in that videogame, there is no way to conclude that cells can't be in any videogame, thus PRO needs to show why this game specifically wouldn't have cells.

2. Even if there are no cells, there is still lung cancer because cell growth is uncontrolled. Cells control their own growth inside their nuclei, therefore with no cells (and thus no nuclei) cell growth is uncontrolled. This means all of Hyrule is perpetually in a state of lung cancer.

---

"However, this is to assume that a picture of Link could be a substitute for the real thing. Link is not a picture of Link, but Link."

My opponent defined Link as "a fictional character, a legendary swordsman dressed in green wielding a variety of abilities and equipment, and the main protagonist in Nintendo's The Legend of Zelda series of video games"

Thus, there is no 'real thing' and being 'real' is not a necessary requirement of being 'Link.' Quite the opposite, if Link were real (like this weird dude: http://www.trsrockin.com...) then he wouldn't be link.

The picture certainly depicts a fictional character by the name of Link, so it fits his definition perfectly.

---

"First, I would like to ask, how did you get the scene from Minish Cap onto your computer? What technology did you use? And if you did use a camera, why can't you take a picture of yourself with two smoking cigarettes in your mouth?
Second, how is it that this event does not appear at all in the Minish Cap Zeldapedia articles [8]? If you're so sure that such a scene can be unlocked, why don't you add it? It would give a whole lot of credibility to your statement.
Third, how can a game that came out in 2004 use a picture taken in 2007 [9]?
Finally, I'd like to point out that this is merely Link between a picture of a guy smoking cigarettes and a picture of a cancerous lung. Pictures cannot sub for the real thing."

First, an SD card, which can be plugged in to both the Wii and Computer.
Second, because ZeldaPedia's editors are either slackers or too stupid to unlock this.
Third, because that picture was copied from the game. That date is a forgery, I would suggest reporting it to authorities.
Fourth, Refer to above, if it were real, we would have a problem. Because it is fictional, it fits the definition perfectly.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org...
[2] http://www.eurekalert.org...
[3] http://www.indepthinfo.com...
[4] http://zelda.wikia.com...
[5] http://www.hippierags.com...
[6] http://owl.english.purdue.edu...

Close call...this was submitted with under 1 minute left. Sorry for any spelling errors, no time to spell check.
Debate Round No. 2
mongeese

Pro

I would like to thank my opponent for his argumentum ad hilarious. It's been great.

1. My opponent's revised search came up with two results:

a. An Evil Overlord list, written by Peter Anspach, completely irrelevant to Legend of Zelda as a whole.

b. Some blog about a bishop giving up cigarettes for Lent (not even in the Zelda universe).

2. The editors are not lazy. Just look at Triforce 14's contributions [1].

3. That's obviously because he recognized that your history of tobacco in Hyrule was false.

4. Actually, the Wikipedia search brought up numerous occasions in which Zeldapedia was sourced as an accurate compilation on all things Zelda.
Meanwhile, there is no tobacco in Hyrule, period. The most comprehensive source on the subject dismissed the notion as preposterous.

My opponent claims that smoking would be a leisure activity. However, despite the fact that most Hyrulians have absolutely nothing to do, just standing around forever to allow for Link to complete his tasks without fail, none of them choose to take a smoke. Waiting for Link would be the perfect time to smoke, but they don't, because they don't have access to leisure drugs.

Link doesn't have a Learjet, because he was never programmed to drive a Learjet. There is nothing in the game that allows Link to build a Learjet. My opponent's source is a random picture drawn for a random purpose, but it cannot be taken as proof that Link flies planes. Pictures are not proof of anything, especially when they're hand-drawn.

My opponent claims that Link might be able to uncover a stash of drugs hidden by the Old Man. However, the fact is, explosions have no effect on the walls of the Old Man's room whatsoever. There are about 100 different squares on which Link can drop a bomb in the Old Man's room, and none of them do anything. The game then forgets that the bomb was ever placed, and another bomb does the exact same thing: absolutely nothing.
My opponent claims that there is an infinite number of ways in which a Zelda game can be played. However, this is false, and shows a clear misunderstanding of computer science. The game has a very limited amount of memory. If the game has 1Gb of RAM, then there are 2^(2^30) different states in which the game can be, period. However, if tobacco is not programmed into the game, then none of these states would include tobacco, period.

As proof that Hyrulians smoke, my opponent has photoshopped cigarettes into a Goron's mouth. However, photoshopped pictures are not proof for anything except the photoshopper's skill in photoshopping.

My opponent claims that pixels are made up of cells. This is false. Pixels are made up of light. My opponent's example is actually of cells and viri made up of pixels, as all things manifested in video games are. Cells are not programmed into Zelda games, because that would be far too much detail that would never be expressed at all. Link's body, for example, is made up of a shell of multi-colored pixels. The cells, not being programmed, don't exist.

2. My opponent claims that with no cells, there is no cell growth, and therefore, cell growth is uncontrolled. However, there is no cell growth. Cell growth cannot be anything, because it does not exist. Cell growth requires an increase in size by definition [2], and therefore, with no cell growth, it cannot be uncontrolled. Additionally, if we were to go by my opponent's plan, the programmers would have controlled the growth of cells by completely preventing the existence of cells in the first place.

My opponent ignores my argument that there are no lungs in Hyrulians:
"In fact, there wouldn't be any lungs, because when video game characters are programmed, they are only given an outside shell. Link does not have any lungs programmed in his chest, and nor do any other Zelda characters."
Without lungs, there can be no lung cancer, by definition.

The real Link is the Link that is in the Zelda games. However, he is still fictional. Fictional: "something invented by the imagination or feigned" [3]. Despite being in the games, Link is still invented by the minds of the programmers.

The weird dude cannot be said to be Link, on many accounts:
1. He is not fictional, but real.
2. He is not legendary.
3. He has no abilities.
4. He is not the protagonist of any video games.
Basically, he's just a wanna-be Link.

The picture does not fit the definition. The picture is real, is not legendary, has no abilities, has no equipment, and is not the protagonist of any video games. Sure, it depicts Link, but it is not Link. There's a big difference. A picture of Link is not Link. A painting of George Washington is not a commander.

My opponent kindly decided to answer my questions. I shall now expose him to be a fraud.

1. My opponent mentions the Wii, which is curious, because Minish Cap is actually for the GBA [4]. This means that he had to connect his GBA to the Wii. However, there is currently no function on the Wii that allows for the ability to take snapshots at any occasion, and GBA games are not inherently programmed to be compatible with SD cards. In conclusion, my opponent is a liar.
2. My opponent declines the opportunity to "enlighten" Zeldapedia, even though he bothered to type up a false documentary on tobacco in Hyrule. As I have already shown, Zeldapedia editors are very active, and they would be very eager to test my opponent's claims as to how he unlocked his event.
3. If the picture were taken directly from the game, then its resolution would match the game's. However, the game shows the picture in a poorer resolution than the website, something only possible if the picture was taken from the website and added to a picture as a forgery.
4. An electronic picture of a smoking cigarette can in no way substitute for a real cigarette.

In conclusion, there are no cigarettes in Hyrule, and there are no lungs or lung cancer in Hyrule, and anything depicting Link outside of the Zelda video games would just be a depiction of Link, but not Link himself, so therefore, there is no Link between smoking cigarettes and lung cancer. Thank you, and vote PRO.

Nails, this was a great debate. I appreciate that you did not attack the definitions, but instead made it into the funniest debate I've ever had.

http://www.frigginrandom.com...

1. http://zelda.wikia.com...
2. http://www.merriam-webster.com...
3. http://www.merriam-webster.com...
4. http://zelda.wikia.com...
Nails

Con

"My opponent's revised search came up with two results:

a. An Evil Overlord list, written by Peter Anspach, completely irrelevant to Legend"

I fail to see how this is irrelevant. Evil Overlord's can smoke cigarettes, for example this mafia don: http://www.istockphoto.com...

"b. Some blog about a bishop giving up cigarettes for Lent (not even in the Zelda universe)."

This is incredibly relevant and also a major point for my case. The search results do not yield any blogs about bishops giving up cigarettes for Lent in the Zelda universe, only in the real world, so we conclude that Hyrulean bishops continue smoking throughout lent.

"2. The editors are not lazy. Just look at Triforce 14's contributions."

I noticed that Triforce 14's contribution to the site does not include an article on Tobacco. He has indeed been slacking.

"3. That's obviously because he recognized that your history of tobacco in Hyrule was false."

OR
1) He (clearly being obsessed with the site, as PRO shows above) was jealous of my astounding, superbly-written article including a detailed history of tobacco since ancient times, an account of how tobacco addiction recently became rampant in Hyrule, and a graph of the relative percent of tobacco smoked by each Hyrulean tribe.
2) He was having a bad day and took his anger out on my poor article.
3) He, his fellow editors, (and perhaps PRO) are part of a larger cover-up that has been long in the works. (More on this later)

All of my examples are far more plausible than PRO's idea. PRO has the burden of proof to show that absurd statement (that my article might be fallacious) to be true, and he hasn't done that.

"4. Actually, the Wikipedia search brought up numerous occasions in which Zeldapedia was sourced as an accurate compilation on all things Zelda"

But there was no Wikipedia article actually describing it. This site that PRO continuously refers to for sources clearly does not exist because Wikipedia does not recognize its existence.

---

"My opponent claims that smoking would be a leisure activity. However, despite the fact that most Hyrulians have absolutely nothing to do, just standing around forever to allow for Link to complete his tasks without fail, none of them choose to take a smoke. Waiting for Link would be the perfect time to smoke, but they don't, because they don't have access to leisure drugs."

They do smoke all the time while waiting around for link. Unfortunately, the game must be marketable to children, so they must ditch their pack of smokes whenever Link is in eyesight to keep it rated E. Rest assured, the moment that Link leaves, they light back up.

---

"[Link] was never programmed to drive a Learjet. There is nothing in the game that allows Link to build a Learjet."

Prove it. The guy who designed The Legend of Zelda clearly likes learjets as he can be seen flying one here: http://www.debate.org...
It seems more than plausible that his love of jetsetting could have found its way into the game.

"My opponent's source is a random picture drawn for a random purpose, but it cannot be taken as proof that Link flies planes. Pictures are not proof of anything, especially when they're hand-drawn."

1. Link is himself manmade. Ofcourse any pictures of him would be manmade.
2. It is accompanied by a video as well.

---

"However, the fact is, explosions have no effect on the walls of the Old Man's room whatsoever. There are about 100 different squares on which Link can drop a bomb in the Old Man's room, and none of them do anything. The game then forgets that the bomb was ever placed, and another bomb does the exact same thing: absolutely nothing."

My opponent just as poor aim. It is quite easy for a highly trained tactical sniper such as myself to level the entire building with as few as 3 bomb-throws.

"My opponent claims that there is an infinite number of ways in which a Zelda game can be played. However, this is false, and shows a clear misunderstanding of computer science. The game has a very limited amount of memory. If the game has 1Gb of RAM, then there are 2^(2^30) different states in which the game can be, period"

Ok, then, fair enough. My opponent need not show that all of the infinite scenarios not contain tobacco. He only needs to give an account of all of the 2^(2^30) scenarios not containing tobacco. This number, by the way, is 1.1529 x 1000000000000000000. (http://www.bing.com...)

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"As proof that Hyrulians smoke, my opponent has photoshopped cigarettes into a Goron's mouth. However, photoshopped pictures are not proof for anything except the photoshopper's skill in photoshopping."

How dare he insult me! I would never photoshop a picture! I use MS Paint for any and all evidence I use in my debates.

"with no cell growth, it cannot be uncontrolled."

Quite the opposite, with no cell growth, it cannot be controlled. If there are no cells, there are no nuclei, and thus there is nothing to control cell growth. Because of this, cell growth is uncontrolled, and thus the lungs of every Hyrulean being are perpetually cancerous.

"In fact, there wouldn't be any lungs, because when video game characters are programmed, they are only given an outside shell. Link does not have any lungs programmed in his chest, and nor do any other Zelda characters"

This is a completely unwarranted assertion and also entirely false. Upon reading this, I turned on my Gamecube, put in Super Smash Bros Melee and began a melee with myself as Dr. Mario and the CPU as Link. I quickly subdued Link and performed a complete dissection of his chest cavity. Rest assured, he had lungs as well as all other major organs.

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" Sure, it depicts Link, but it is not Link. There's a big difference. A picture of Link is not Link."

I fail to see why. Why is my cigarette lighter Link any less Link than the one on PRO's TV screen? Both are pictures.

---

My opponent tries to expose me for some sort of fraud.

1. I never said I played the game on the Wii. I was merely observing that the Wii is compatible with SD cards.

2. Perhaps my opponent should accuse Triforce 14 of unsavory behavior. Given that my article was entirely true, the fact that the article was deleted puts suspicion on these 'editors.' I believe my opponent knows the truth and has been subtlely alluding to it. He states:

"Zeldapedia editors are very active"
"They would be very eager..."

He is most likely implying that they are overly hyper because they are high. My opponent knows, as well as I do, that Triforce 14 and these other editors have uncovered the secret of tobacco in Hyrule and have since been using The Legend of Zelda games to get stoned virtually. They play the games, get Link high, and (given their blurred perception between video games and reality) feel the euphoric effects themselves. They have been covering this up and this, not any malicious falsification on my part, led to the article being deleted.

3. My opponent is clearly unaware of the harms of smoking. For those of us who are 3-demensional and made up of cells, the harms are simply that our cells lose their ability to control their growth. For those people who are 2D and made of pixels, the harms are far worse. Smoking leads to a blocky, blurry, and lower-resolution look. The reason the pictures look as if they are taken in a lower resolution is that they are of long-time smokers, who have become quite low-resolution after their life long habit.

4. "An electronic picture of a smoking cigarette can in no way substitute for a real cigarette."

I will agree to this. I only smoke electronic pictures of cigarettes when I don't have a real blunt to spare. I still get that high but it isn't quite the same as the real thing.

::Summary::

Link smokes tobacco. Vote CON!
Debate Round No. 3
16 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 10 records.
Posted by bigtree 7 years ago
bigtree
Holy crap that was friggin hilarious. I have never seen a funnier debate!
Posted by Korashk 7 years ago
Korashk
Agree B: mongeese
Agree A: Nails
Conduct: Tie, very civil debate
Spelling/Grammar: Tie, I didn't notice anything.
Arguments: Nails, you had me with the Link lighter.
Sources: Tie, you both had valid and invalid ones.
Posted by Chrysippus 7 years ago
Chrysippus
"4. "An electronic picture of a smoking cigarette can in no way substitute for a real cigarette."

I will agree to this. I only smoke electronic pictures of cigarettes when I don't have a real blunt to spare. I still get that high but it isn't quite the same as the real thing."

Laughing...
Posted by Nails 7 years ago
Nails
This has probably been my favorite debate so far.
Posted by Nails 7 years ago
Nails
Tobacco
Posted by mongeese 7 years ago
mongeese
Wasn't it saved somewhere on Zeldapedia, though? What did you title your page?
Posted by Nails 7 years ago
Nails
I didn't save it on my own computer and it wasn't up long enough for google to have a cached version of it. Tough beans for me, I suppose.
Posted by mongeese 7 years ago
mongeese
Nails, could you link to your zeldapedia article anyway with the history section? I want to read it.
Posted by mongeese 7 years ago
mongeese
I've had that happen to me, too. Hope you can re-type it, though.
Posted by Nails 7 years ago
Nails
I had nearly finished my argument for round 2, logged off and back on, and discovered that almost done of hit had saved for some reason. I'll be starting over tomorrow. Hopefully it won't take too long.

To add insult to injury, the ZeldaPedia article I tried to write about the history of cigarettes in Hyrule was deleted by some user named Triforce 14, though he did comment that "D|ak should put this one on best edits ever." I actually might try using this in my next argument.
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