There is no evidence to believe that Jesus Christ never existed
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There is no reason to believe that the Jesus Christ of the Bible, virgin-born, miracle-worker, itinerant preacher and political & religious agitator, killed and resurrected and became a deity every existed.
Evidence 1: No Historical Record
The strongest evidence is that there is no actual indepedent corroborating evidence that such a man ever existed nor of his miraculous deeds. For a man of such great acts, some affecting thousands (e.g. the feeding of the 5,000, the rising of the dead) it is surprising that no record would remain of such deeds - none first-hand and certainly none second hand, especially considering there are many detailed records that exist of that time.
For the purposes of this debate, references to a 'historical Jesus' are invalid. Firstly, because we are discusing the existence of the religious figure and secondly because the term makes no sense.
Evidence 2: Jesus Christ is a religious invention
The only actual references we have are those found in the Bible, in particular the four Gospels. This Jesus Christ is a deity that performed miracles on this planet, a sort of avatar of the actual God - wholly God but also wholly human in that he was limited in his powers. His mission was to not only resolve the Jewish religion as a returning Messiah but also as a message to the rest of humanity that should they follow his Path, they too would have access to the Jewish deity on their death.
All this is, of course religious invention, with no bearing or evidence other than what a group of people, who call themselves Christians, choose to accept on faith is true. The Bible is replete with references to Jesus being a deity and having great powers - supernatural claims common for their time and largely unseen since: without evidence these events happened, one must conclude these are wholly religious inventions to impress believers.
Evidence 3: Jesus Christ only exists for Christians
Being a religious invention then, jesus Christ has to compete in the market-place of religious ideas and here his existence (and all the contingent claims that make Jesus, the Christ) is also disputed.
Beginning with Judaism, the original religious Jesus is the Messiah of, it's progenitor, there is enormous dispute as to whether he truly was that Messiah. Therefore, by definition Jesus Christ - the Messiash - does not exist according to Judaism. He was a fraud.
Then we have the cousin religion, Islam, who only accepts Jesus as a prophet and not the deity that claimed by Christians.
Within Christianity, the thousands of different denominations and cults should put at rest that there is any single definitive way to even worship - thus proving that religious claims are not even internally self-supporting and therefore unreliable historical documents to begin with.
With no historical record, where there should have been, it is impossible to conclude that Jesus Christ existed other than in the minds of Christians.
The existence of Jesus has been critically proved. It"s not a question of rather he was the "messiah" or expressed grandiose ambitions of being the son of the mighty creator, it"s an influence of his presence, and the written verification of this man. It is not only Christians who recognize Jesus to be a real man; Jews even though they do not claim Jesus as their messiah, still recognize him to be the real man he was.
Secondly, there have been other prophets or rather exhibitors of ideals who existence is as real as Jesus Christ. The prophet Muhammad, a man who laid claim to have spoken to the real creator; brought the middle east from bands of tribes to a group of people led by the caliphate created after the death of Muhammad. Even scholars such as Confucius, who spread ideals that became known as Confucianism became no more unreal than he truly was.
No matter if you"re Christian man or an inquisitive scholar, one cannot deny the existence of Jesus Christ. With all modern technology and critical analysis done on this matter most modern scholars confirm that Jesus existed.
It appears that you are talking about a human being without the mythical characteristics of the Jesus Christ that I laid out in the preamble. So you agree then - the character in the Bible called Jesus Christ does not exist?
Only the Jesus Christ of the Bible, the Messiah, miracle worker, deity is being discussed. There is no evidence for that character or person existing.
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