There is no free will
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First round is acceptance
if i can be mentally enslaved free will must exist, for balance
So here is my base argument of free will being nothing but an illusion.
Suppose you have two perfect spheres. One is still and the other, in motion, is in a collision course with the other sphere. When these collide a "calculation" will be made and an outcome drawn. Into this calculation many things are factored in, such as the mass of the spheres, the attrition of the surface they stand in, if there is an atmosphere or not, the velocity the moving sphere has at the moment of impact, the plasticity of both spheres, etc. So when the standing sphere is hit all of these factors will be "processed" and the sphere will move in a certain direction with a certain speed and acceleration and will eventually come to a stop on a certain spot. If you repeat the experiment in the exact same way you will come to the same result again and again. This because it all comes down to math. The equation that determines where the sphere will stop is still the same as when you did the first experiment. Just like x+y=w if you change x for 1 and y for 2 w will be 3, always. The same way you have the equation to determine where the sphere will come to a halt if you do not change the variables that factor into this equation the result will also be the same.
In the real world there is no reason why this should be different and it never seems to be. Because the real world is a much more dynamic place than just two spheres colliding the equation turns a LOT bigger. So it's very hard to predict outcomes since this equation needs so many variables to be factored in.
Now tell me why this should be different for humans.
Take this in consideration.
You are talking to somebody and they ask you "can you pass the salt, please". Now in order for one to predict what will happen (because, again, we are in the real world) one has to take many factors into consideration. What is your current state of mind, what is your relationship with this person, how did the sound propagate in the air, how far away the salt is, is your hearing working properly, and many more billions of factors. Based on these factors you will make a decision. One which might not even evolve salt at all.
Now tell me this.
If all the conditions were recreated perfectly. An exact same copy of the universe you were in. Would your answer to "can you pass the salt, please" be any different. I don't think it will. And there lies my biggest problem with free will. What do you say?
humans have a far greater capacity to be unresonable then animals
you are talking about something that can happen.. which you dont know
why are you trying to prediction anything, tell me why you made the choice to try to predict to figure out the answer?
free will is not having beliefs, to contrast with having beliefs i dont see that i dont see
planting a stone in the ground and watering it dosnt give you fruits
free will, is the freedom to see, because if you dont see you dont have a choice, if you dont see which ice cream you are choosing how could it possibly be your choice when it comes to the ice cream you get to eat when the guy is done making it...
a blind man dosnt have the choice to choose the right picture in the photoalbum by lack of sight, so sight enables him to make a choice because now he sees which picture is the right or wrong one in contrast with the one he is suppose to bring with him or whatever..
if you see god is true how could you see hell is not true.. where as, if you see there are 10 choices of ice cream to choose from, you have memory of which you like, you can also choose ice cream based on the color of the flowers on the side of the ice cream store you see
do you have a choice to answer this question if?
rocks are not information
anything that exist has an opposite for it to exist, i can be mentally enslaved therfore i have free will
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Vote Placed by Kreakin 1 year ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Conduct - First round was for acceptance Con ignored this. Generally Con's replies were rather random and generally not relevant o the argument raised. S&G - Con didn't even start sentences with a capital letter and there were many other careless errors. Arguments - Pro's point about the variables cause and effect throws up was never refuted or addressed. I think perhaps Con did not even read Pros opening argument or just did not understand about the massive amount of intertwining probabilities that would need to be calculated to prove there is no free will, given we don't have an exact clone universe to compare. Sources -Neither side used any sources.
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