The Instigator
NoMagic
Pro (for)
Winning
3 Points
The Contender
vi_spex
Con (against)
Losing
0 Points

There is no mechanism that permits free will to exist.

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after 1 vote the winner is...
NoMagic
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 11/13/2014 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 811 times Debate No: 65106
Debate Rounds (4)
Comments (15)
Votes (1)

 

NoMagic

Pro

We feel as though we make choices. I'm of the opinion that this is an illusion.

Pro will argue that there isn't a mechanism that can give us free will.
Con will argue that there is a mechanism that grants us free will.

Rules, the key to the debate is the mechanism and what we see in the world. Is there a mechanism, that when we compare human behavior with the mechanism, that makes sense and grants us free will? Pro will argue that no such mechanism exists. Con will argue that there is such a mechanism. I'm willing to let Con use any mechanism he wishes, including magic, if necessary. However, Con must offer some type of mechanism in order to win the debate and show how it would give us free will. Con doesn't have to prove the mechanism exist (soul as an example) he only has to show it can give us free will while matching to reality.

Free will should be understood as a person that has freedom to make any choice they wish. Free from biological, cultural or other influences. Free=untethered. Will=desire to do something. Free will=untethered desire

Round 1 acceptance
Round 2 arguments
Round 3 rebuttals and arguments
Round 4 no new points, rebuttals, supporting of previous arguments, closing remarks
vi_spex

Con

belief=mentally enslaved
knowledge=free will
for perfect balance, as they stand in contrast

0=past=(is)truth=knowledge=memory=destruction(turn my back)=free will

basically free will is memory
Debate Round No. 1
NoMagic

Pro

NoMagic forfeited this round.
vi_spex

Con

you agree?
Debate Round No. 2
NoMagic

Pro

Wrong debate topic. Read the premise.
vi_spex

Con

knowledge is the mechanism
Debate Round No. 3
NoMagic

Pro

A watch has a mechanism and no knowledge. Knowledge isn't a mechanism. There may be a mechanism that contains knowledge, but that doesn't imply knowledge is the mechanism. A glass is the mechanism that holds water. Water isn't the glass.
vi_spex

Con

a watch is a machine, and my body is nature
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by vi_spex 2 years ago
vi_spex
knowledge is the "mechanism"
Posted by vi_spex 2 years ago
vi_spex
I am one is true*
Posted by vi_spex 2 years ago
vi_spex
there is not much you can do with this one, true is one
Posted by NoMagic 2 years ago
NoMagic
Undeniable, resubmitted it. Hopefully I will get a different opponent.
Posted by vi_spex 2 years ago
vi_spex
free will is knowledge, with belief free will can not exist, automation

belief=Dead
know=life
Posted by UndeniableReality 2 years ago
UndeniableReality
NoMagic,

I'd like to see you actually debate this topic. I hope you find a real opponent.
Posted by vi_spex 2 years ago
vi_spex
sure
Posted by NoMagic 2 years ago
NoMagic
Wrong topic
Posted by vi_spex 2 years ago
vi_spex
I mean knowledge is from physical experience
Posted by vi_spex 2 years ago
vi_spex
I am not redefining words, I cant have memory of the future, memory is from physical experience which is now, so memory is past, how else do you experience the past?

belief=false=future
know=true=now
knowledge=truth=past

stacking pyramids

I am here now, so I must have gotten here somehow, and the future is unknown
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Vote Placed by Tweka 2 years ago
Tweka
NoMagicvi_spexTied
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro actually provide arguments. But Con did not refute it.