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Vminaya
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patrisel1203
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There is no possibility of a human action without moral consequence

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Started: 7/23/2013 Category: Philosophy
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Vminaya

Con

Actions will have some type of consequence by the end of the day. That is the belief that many people live by. These people have the idea that every action made is necessarily followed by a moral consequence. Since these people believe that every action is followed by a moral consequence they also believe one can learn from such outcome. But what they do not realize is that one cannot assume such outcome. If one's action is followed by a pleasurable outcome then one is able to enjoy and learn from it. On the other hand, if the outcome is pain, one will not have the chance to learn from it.

(1) Even though it may be quite difficult to see,not every action made has to result in a moral consequence.
(2) One can make a bad action and have it result in a pleasurable consequence. Or one can make a good action and have a painful consequence as an outcome.
(3) There are many famous philosophers that agree that there are human actions that can go without a moral consequence. For example, Bentham which we covered in class.

I cannot see how every action made by every human will always result in a truthful and righteous consequence. Weather one may believe it or not, many times our actions will be judged by others. Therefore, good or bad, honest or not, our consequences will be judged by those who may witness it. It is absurd that there is an assumption that something you do will have a loving desirable effect.
patrisel1203

Pro

Consequences help condition humans into understanding unacceptable and acceptable behaviors. We spend our entire lives watching action and reactions as we learn right from wrong. Moral consequences are perhaps the most significant form of consequences, that help mold human civilization. Though, it is true every society has their own standard of what which moral behaviors are acceptable, there is likely an overall agreement that moral consequences is the result of human behaviors.
1)Consequences are what humans live by, when we act there will be a reaction. In fact everything we do is because we expect their to be a reaction if we didn"t expect any reaction then we would not do it.
2)It is true, some actions will have positive results, and some will have negative. Nonetheless, it cannot definitely be said that every human will definitely have a consequence. Unless you were to actually record every human action ever made.
3)Human behavioral studies are generally based in reaction and consequences. From the beginning of time to present anthropologist, philosopher and sociologist is base their study on moral consequences.
It is difficult to say that there is a single human behavior that does not have moral consequence, because consequences are what we base our actions on. Things we do are based on what the consequence will be whether it be could or bad.
Debate Round No. 1
Vminaya

Con

You say that moral consequences make humans accept or not accept certain behaviors. So I'll go back to what I stated with pain and pleasure. If an action is followed by pleasure it can be accepted as moral consequence. But if an action has a painful outcome how can someone accept pain. To everyone anything that relates to pain is unacceptable. Our society today cannot be molded or change for the better exactly because of the fact that many live off the assumption that every every action will result in some sort of consequence. Well, can it ever occur to you or anyone that some actions made will not always be followed by a consequence.

Everything we do is not always based on our consequences. It is completely absurd to believe that every single action made by every single person will have some moral consequence. If that is the case, then how do you explain those people that are behind bars or in mental clinics due to bad actions. The actions made by these people certainly did NOT result in a moral consequence.

It can be agreed, that at times, yes we do base some, only some, of our actions on our previous consequences but that does not mean that one should have the assumption that one there will be a consequence, and two that it will be similar to past consequences. We need to take into consideration that these consequences can not only affect the one who caused it, but also those that surround this person.
patrisel1203

Pro

I actually say that moral consequences are in a sense what DRIVE human behaviors. Reason being when we act we normally do not act unless t having an idea of what the consequence will be(when we act generally we are seeking a specific outcome, now whether we get the desired outcome or not a different story). For example we wake up early, because the consequence is we will get to work on time, we eat because we expect the consequence will be feeling of satisfaction, we leave to work because we expect the consequence to be get paid. Let us just say that we do not receive these outcomes from out actions, we will still receive a consequence, this is because we are drived by consequences. Can we predict what will be the moral consequence?No it would be impossible to be correct every time, but we act because of them.
People behind bars are there as a result of a moral consequence, they were deemed insane for one reason or another and now are behind bars as result of their behavior. The reason why these bars are there as result of a moral consequence of previous experiences that made the facilitators of these facilities come to realization that these bard are necessary to control human behaviors. As a result the moral consequence of human action are the placement of bars in these institutions.
I agree with you we should not assume that we know what the moral consequence will be, it is impossible to assume that we will know each time what the consequence will be. Nonetheless it is important to realize that moral consequence is what drives humans in a sense, therefore there cannot exist a human behavior without a moral consequence.
Debate Round No. 2
Vminaya

Con

It is not always the case that one will wake up early in the morning to go to work to have the consequence result in one getting to work on time. I say this because NOT EVERYONE is like that. What might be a desire for you, can result in something totally different from someone else. Therefore, not everyone will be driven by past consequences to make an act and have it result in a satisfactory consequence. It is merely impossible that a person is looking forward to tomorrow because they are driven by their past or present consequences.

No one acts because they are curious on what the outcome of their action might turn out to be. People act because they want to and because they feel like it. This is why I argue that those who assume that ever time they act upon something, automatically some type of consequence will follow afterwards. These people are the type that worry too much, therefore they are 90 percent of the time wrong. An action resulting in a moral consequence will not always stop a person from trying to make the same actions occur again, leaving aside weather their previous consequence was good or bad.
patrisel1203

Pro

Yes, this is true it is not always the case that you will wake up early and get to work on time, because the moral consequence is not always an anticipated one. Nonetheless as previously stated there will always be a consequence. One can hope that if one wakes up on time, they will arrive to work on time, but the train may be late their maybe traffic. The point is that the human behavior of waking up on time was because of the anticipation of getting to work on time, but lets say one got to work late. Whatever the consequence was whether arriving to work on time or arriving to work late, there was still a consequence. Also as stated previously we cannot predict what our moral consequences will be, morality is not a science, and we cannot predict that each behavior if practiced the same will produce the same outcome, but we can predict there will be an outcome.

Secondly human behavior may in fact as you say be based on curiosity, but doesn't curiosity itself trigger a moral consequence. When we act on curiosity we do not expect any particular outcome, but we do receive an outcome. Babies who have very little sense of moral consequence if any at all act based on curiosity most of their infant to toddler life, yet their actions still produce consequences.
Debate Round No. 3
Vminaya

Con

There are many actions made by us that are not necessarily followed by a consequence, even though one may not be capable of observing it. The example of a person waking up early will clearly have to result in an outcome because in action cases like those there are decisions that need to be made. These decisions may or may not lead to a moral consequence. In any action where there has to be a decision made there will be a consequence. However, not every action made by us deals with us having to make a decision right then and there. It is possible that one can commit an action just because.

Since you argue morality is not a science, which I agree, then why try to prove that in every single human action there will be a some moral consequence involved afterwards. Science is proven by facts that have been gathered trough research, so what facts can one obtain that proves that there just has to e a consequence that HAS to follow their action. There is no fact that can possibly prove that. If your curious that does not mean that there will be a consequence to what your curious about. If you are curious about a culture, you pick up a book and read. After that what is the consequence there? None. Therefore, human actions do not always need to be followed by a moral consequence.
patrisel1203

Pro

The act in its self of not making a decision, this would be a consequence, not acting to a previous behavior is still a consequence of the previous human behavior. Though one may not see a moral consequence as result of a behavior does not mean that the consequence did not occur. In sum, there are obvious reasons to why all human behaviors have moral consequence, it is the essence of our criminal justice system. It has been proven time and time again that if their is enough pain as a consequence human behavior would be curved. Parenting requires moral consequence, restraining children from pleasure when their behavior is inappropriate it is a consequence. Most people live their lives avoiding displeasurable moral consequences, by seeking to do what society deems as right, since they fear being outcasted, or punished.

Yes science used facts and research to prove something true or false and I do not support the notion that moral consequences can be proven through science. Nonetheless, if we look at it as a science although each consequence may not be identical, we would see every human action has some sort of consequence whether positive or negative.

To reinstate my points I will close with the following arguments, which I believe I made clear. Firstly, human behavior is always followed by a consequence. Secondly humans act expecting a consequence whether good or bad, but we generally know what consequence we are anticipating(this does not mean that we will receive the consequence we want).Moral consequences are also what drive human behaviors, everyone who acts on anything will receive a consequence it enables people within a given society to assess their present actions and decide whether or not do follow through with them. Thus, without moral consequences it would be difficult to have a functional and progressive society.
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