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There is no such thing as virus

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Started: 5/20/2017 Category: Science
Updated: 7 months ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Akhenaten

Pro

There is no such thing as a virus. This concept was invented at the same time as scientists started to realize that bacteria don't cause disease, so they had to find another smaller disease base. The viruse is just a fictional creation to justify the pharmaeutical industry in its quest to create a mullti-billion dollar empire of profit making. Ebola and polio are caused by pesticides and not by viruses. This is a cover-up to protect the pharmaceutical industry from litigation and blame.
cakerman

Con

Hello again! Glad to be now debating the facts of viruses causing diseases with you. To respond to your first round debate, if ebola is caused by pesticides, please tell me how many of the west african villages that had ebola outbreaks had available access to pesticides for their crops.

One term i'd like to set for this debate is please do not debate about the multi billion dollar scam unless you can show me some links to credible sources that back it up. There is obviously money to be made from medicine, it's like making money off of anything else, like food, which is branded and sold.

Polio is also primarily spread through water as a host for infection, but it can be spread onto food. There is a vaccine for Polio though, and rarely do we ever see cases of it spreading.
Debate Round No. 1
Akhenaten

Pro

The medical system never identifies a disease by looking into a miroscope and seeing the 'so called disease'. The only method they use is the symptom method of identification. They have a list a symptoms which is supposed to relate to certain diseases. This system is a load of baloney and is just a clever way of disguising ignorance that gives doctors the power to decide what the name of any disaese is depending on what the current trend is or what they think the public most fears. Yes, its all about creating fear in the community. When people are scared, they run to the doctor for protection from then dreaded threat (disease). But, little do these people know, that they are running to the devil in disguise.


https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com...


Avoiding gluten and dairy can prevent many disease conditions including autism.


http://www.generationrescue.org...

Studies show that polio is caused by pesticides and not by and mirco-organism. The advent of polio outbreaks coincides with pesticide usage. The included graphs show how pesticide usage and polio outbreaks occur simutaneously. When you stop using pesticides, the so called 'polio' problem disappears.

https://www.westonaprice.org...

https://www.youtube.com...


https://www.youtube.com...


Youtube video of man trying to convince some Africans that DDT is so safe that you can eat it for breakfast. "The african natives think that DDT is some kind of witch craft". Not far from the truth African natives! lol. It looks like those Africans know more than those silly English sales people and government officals! lol

cakerman

Con

I have said it in our previous debate and i will say it again, no offense. Polio in this debate is uncorrelated to the argument against viruses, as we have a vaccine for it, and you only showed me an article with evidence from 1944-69.

Obviously the medical system will never identify a disease by looking at it, but rather from symptoms, which i see you've provided me an article to read, which says that bleeding, a symptom of ebola is replicated in antibiotics. This is simply false, antibiotics can cause aenemic like symptoms, but won't produce the same symptoms of Ebola. A patient with Ebola won't simply be aenemic, they will throw up and also cough up blood. The article you linked claims that vomiting of blood can be attributed to bleeding in the digestive tract, but that isn't true simply due to the fact that when you have Ebola you vomit pure blood. Which isn't normal digestive tract bleeding, which causes blood IN the vomit, but vomiting due to that isn't normal to begin with, usually it exits via stool, so even when you do have digestive bleeding you shouldn't necessarily always vomit it up. Ebola also comes commonly with coughing up blood, eye redness, headache, mental confusion, red spots on skin, or sore throat, which is never directly referenced in the article linked.

Autism is a developmental disorder, and is not classified as a disease, you could consider calling Autism a disease almost insensitive to someone who has it or has someone close to them with it. Autism is not a virus either, The large number of autistic individuals with unaffected family members may result from spontaneous structural variation — such as deletions, duplications or inversions in genetic material during meiosis. While Autism can be attributed to an infectious disease during pregnancy, which is very very rare, most cases are attributed to air pollution, smoking, other drugs, expose to heavy metals or particulates

Debate Round No. 2
Akhenaten

Pro

Polio was only a problem between 1944 - 69. Thus, I don't understand your complaint? What is the sense of providing evidence for periods when there was no problem?
I have shown evidence that polio is not a virus but is a result of pesticide poisoning. Did you not see the evidence?

Photos of Ebola victims have been identified from other sources and causes. The medical system uses random photos which look scary as evidence of a particular disease when the true cause has been by chemical poisoning. Lumps on the skin are caused by exterior chemicals such as pesticides which cause such damage when not used with the proper protection equipment.


http://virologydownunder.blogspot.com.au...



http://www.aljazeera.com...
cakerman

Con

Your first source just gives pictures that may have been misrepresented as ebola in one point in time, but never was there a link to a page from "the medical system" to prove that theory.


As for this issue of Ebola being pesticides it very well may be, but you haven't addressed the Megavirus, feline leukemia virus, canine parvovirus, norwalk virus, mumps virus, SARS coronavirus, rabies virus, the list goes on and on and on.
Debate Round No. 3
Akhenaten

Pro

I will just examine one case of the Zika Virus to prove my case that the medical research and funding system is a huge fraud and cover-up for dangerous chemicals that are the real cause of so called "viral outbreaks". You can apply this senario to all other so called "viruses". The concept of a virus is totally illogical. They simply can't exist and don't exist either. The images of so called "viruses" are all forgeries and digital manipulations of either bacteria, hormones, funguses or algae.



Zika Virus - Think the Zika virus is responsible for all the cases of microcephaly in South America? Think again: There is no reliable scientific evidence linking the two. The developmental deformities are actually caused by exposure to toxic insecticide and larvicide chemicals, not Zika virus.

But because Zika virus fear fits a convenient funding narrative for chemical giants and vaccine manufacturers, it is being played up by the corrupt, criminally-run CDC and the Obama administration to funnel billions of dollars into the hands of vaccine corporations while ignoring the real causes of microcephaly.



http://www.naturalnews.com...


CDC researcher Poul Thorsen, who famously headed up the "Denmark Study" that many claim disproved any link between autism and vaccines, has been indicted in Atlanta by a federal grand jury on charges of wire fraud, money laundering and defrauding research institutions of grant money.

Poul Thorson is a scientist who formerly worked for the CDC, and over the last several years, he oversaw millions of dollars in grant money that was used to conduct research to "prove" that vaccines have no link to autism. Dr. Thorson's research papers include the famous "Danish Study" entitled Thimerosal and the occurrence of autism: negative ecological evidence from Danish population-based data. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...)

This paper concludes that thimerosal, the mercury-based preservative used in vaccines around the world, has no statistically significant link to autism. It is one of the key papers used by vaccination proponents who argue that thimerosal is safe to inject into young children. That Poul Thorson's credibility is now being called into question by a federal indictment of fraud and money laundering will, of course, have ripple effects throughout both the vaccine industries and autism support groups

http://www.naturalnews.com...


http://www.naturalnews.com...



cakerman

Con

It is getting difficult to debate this with you, since you are pro, challenged me and must fulfill burden of proof still I cannot really formulate a response to last round's debate. You did do something similar to that of which you did in last debate, and that was make half of the round's arguments about something we aren't debating and providing evidence and links for everything you're debating except the main topic. Simply stating that the concept of viruses is "illogical" isn't going to win the debate, i don't see any feasible way for viruses to be an illogical concept, and if viruses are simply "digital manipulations" of bacterium and funguses then i would like to see some sort of proof to back that up
Debate Round No. 4
Akhenaten

Pro

You are totally obnoxious and rude. You haven't addressed the Zika virus evidence which clearly shows that viruses are just a fraud.
Voters - Please punish this low life cretin who insults his opponent and doesn't address the issues. He didn't say anything worthwhile in his last response, so I have nothing further to say.






cakerman

Con

CDC researcher Poul Thorsen, who famously headed up the "Denmark Study" that many claim disproved any link between autism and vaccines, has been indicted in Atlanta by a federal grand jury on charges of wire fraud, money laundering and defrauding research institutions of grant money.

Poul Thorson is a scientist who formerly worked for the CDC, and over the last several years, he oversaw millions of dollars in grant money that was used to conduct research to "prove" that vaccines have no link to autism. Dr. Thorson's research papers include the famous "Danish Study" entitled Thimerosal and the occurrence of autism: negative ecological evidence from Danish population-based data. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov......)

This paper concludes that thimerosal, the mercury-based preservative used in vaccines around the world, has no statistically significant link to autism. It is one of the key papers used by vaccination proponents who argue that thimerosal is safe to inject into young children. That Poul Thorson's credibility is now being called into question by a federal indictment of fraud and money laundering will, of course, have ripple effects throughout both the vaccine industries and autism support groups

All of this, irrelevant to the topic at hand

If you really are taking such an extreme amount of offense as to call me a cretin over me telling you that you aren't proving anything we're debating about, then it must be true. You typed up 3 paragraphs as i've posted above which has no link to viruses whatsoever, autism isn't a virus. I said in my first round debate that I do not wish to read your billions of dollars being funneled into pockets conspiracy theories because they aren't theories, of course the medical system profits from medicine it isn't that big of a shock. I believe that your debating method is something worth insult, although i wasn't insulting you. Speaking of not addressing the issues what about the Megavirus, feline leukemia virus, canine parvovirus, norwalk virus, mumps virus, SARS coronavirus, and rabies virus I brought up earlier, you completely ignored that. If you want to win such a generalized topic of debate as to viruses as a whole you're going to have to prove that the viruses are indeed not real, proving to me that Ebola and polio may be misrepresented cases of pesticide poisoning doesn't prove that the viruses themselves don't exist. No insults, just a tip.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by NDECD1441 7 months ago
NDECD1441
Also, there is a virus related to technology. Pro didnt specify what type so con could have debated that.
Posted by NDECD1441 7 months ago
NDECD1441
You know Pros stance kinda got me thinking about Trump saying there aint no global warming :3
Posted by Akhenaten 7 months ago
Akhenaten
Yeah, 25 % of Japanese were found to HIV positive. lol Utter nonsense! Get a life!
Posted by cakerman 7 months ago
cakerman
AIDS has been observed in heterosexuals, so your argument, is again, false. You simply saying that AIDS doesn't exist as a virus does not prove, within any realm of possibility that you're correct
Posted by Akhenaten 7 months ago
Akhenaten
You can't have a vaccine for something that doesn't exist. AIDS is just a consequence of the gay lifestyle. Too much alcohol, drugs, bad food and late nights etc.
Posted by cakerman 7 months ago
cakerman
There is no vaccine for the AIDS virus, therefore the "scam" of vaccines is irrelevant
Posted by Akhenaten 7 months ago
Akhenaten
The reason a person has a vaccine to prevent a virus. So how is that irrelevant?

You ignored my main evidence link. - http://www.naturalnews.com...

Thus, a leopard doesn't change its spots.
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