The Instigator
untitled_entity
Pro (for)
Winning
35 Points
The Contender
mongeese
Con (against)
Losing
31 Points

There should be equal marriage for all

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untitled_entity
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 5/12/2009 Category: Politics
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 2,520 times Debate No: 8241
Debate Rounds (4)
Comments (26)
Votes (10)

 

untitled_entity

Pro

I'll let neg go first ( weird, I know) can we do this LD style too?
mongeese

Con

Not everyone should have equal marriage.

http://en.wikipedia.org...
According to Wikipedia, equal marriage means either royal inbreeding or homosexuality, which very few people would actually be happy with, so your resolution is a little fuzzy.

Anyways...

If nobody wants to marry a person, because he is stupid, inconsiderate, fussy, hard to live with, etc., that person is not entitled to any marriage at all, and especially not an equal one.

Nobody should ever be forced to marry someone when they don't like the person they're marrying. Marriage is supposed to be based on love and trust, and be consensual, so allowing anybody to be married, no matter how they'd treat their partner, would be completely unethical. Additionally, it provides no motivation for a person to be a better wife or husband.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

Thank you for starting this debate.
Debate Round No. 1
untitled_entity

Pro

untitled_entity forfeited this round.
mongeese

Con

All arguments extended. My opponent has no arguments as of yet.
Debate Round No. 2
untitled_entity

Pro

As I stated in my comments section because I couldn't change the title of this debate, I wanted to argue the fact that there should be equal opportunity for marriage, i.e Gay Marriage. It seems however, my opponent has gone a different way with this, but whatever...

I find my opponents argument of a "stupid, inconsiderate, fussy, hard to live with, etc.," person a little transparent. Every person should be allowed the ability to be able to get married, often times when people enter a sturdy/stable relationships they change themselves and sometimes become better people or drop bad habits to appease the person they are with. In which case they do deserve to get married in addition to being able to have an equal marriage.

"so allowing anybody to be married, no matter how they'd treat their partner, would be completely unethical. Additionally, it provides no motivation for a person to be a better wife or husband." Again, this doesn't really apply to the topic at hand. What I am describing in my resolution is the ability to allow any human the possibility of getting married. By my opponents statement I am somewhat questioning if they are anti - marriage period.

I believe all humans should be allowed the opportunity to be married for a few reasons. First and foremost are the legal and tax benefits. In most states if a gay person is hospitalized, their partner cannot see them because they are not considered a spouse, nor are they considered family. In addition, if gay couples were recognized as married it would be easier to file taxes as they could file jointly and pay the same amount of money instead of separately and double. Second, Basic human rights entail that there are three main freedoms in life : life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness(http://en.wikipedia.org...). By not allowing gay couples, or a man who is grouchy not to enter in to a marriage we are infringing upon simple human rights. Finally, all people should be provided with the opportunity to marry due to possible health benefits (http://www.apa.org...) according to the people surveyed they were generally happier and healthier than those who were unmarried.
mongeese

Con

My opponent is misinterpreting the resolution. It clearly states, "There should be equal marriage for all." It isn't, "There should be an opportunity for equal marriage for all," but, "There should be equal marriage for all." My opponent is now arguing for opportunities, but that is irrelevant.

"Again, this doesn't really apply to the topic at hand. What I am describing in my resolution is the ability to allow any human the possibility of getting married. By my opponents statement I am somewhat questioning if they are anti - marriage period."
The resolution said nothing about possibilities. It said that there should be equal marriage for all. Had the resolution said that there should be equal marriage opportunities for all, I'd agree with you, but the resolution clearly states that this is not about marriage opportunities, but marriages in general.
I'm not anti-marriage. I'm anti-forced marriage. Nobody should be guaranteed a marriage. They should have to work for it. A person should not be told, "Here, pick someone to marry." They should have to earn the respect of their partner, whether they are gay or not.

"I believe all humans should be allowed the opportunity to be married for a few reasons..."
And I agree, but opportunities are irrelevant. Marriage is relevant. Opportunities are irrelevant. Marriage is relevant. Opportunities are irrelevant. It's in your own resolution.

"By not allowing gay couples, or a man who is grouchy not to enter in to a marriage we are infringing upon simple human rights."
Oh, it's not that we're denying a grouchy man the opportunity of marriage. However, if he is very grouchy and has commitment, personality, and financial issues, and nobody, man or woman, is willing to spend the rest of their life with him, he shouldn't get a marriage, because nobody wants to marriage. Marriage is supposed to be voluntary. Therefore, it takes more than just one person asking for a marriage. It takes two people asking for a marriage together.

In conclusion, most of my opponent's arguments are irrelevant to the resolution. The opportunity to marriage is not the same as a marriage. People should never be guaranteed to marriage without having to work for it. Vote CON.
Debate Round No. 3
untitled_entity

Pro

untitled_entity forfeited this round.
mongeese

Con

All arguments extended.

My opponent only made one argument, which was shot down by irrelevance in Round 3. Thus, it is clear that the vote can only go to CON.

Thank you.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by untitled_entity 7 years ago
untitled_entity
I agree. However, I will reiterate that I do not vote for myself.
Posted by mongeese 7 years ago
mongeese
This and many more are disgraces to this site.
Posted by studentathletechristian8 7 years ago
studentathletechristian8
This should have been mongeese's win. No offense to untitled_entity, but it's pretty unbelievable to win when you forfeit several rounds.
Posted by mongeese 7 years ago
mongeese
Well, we're outnumbered.
Posted by mongoose 7 years ago
mongoose
Yes.
Posted by mongeese 7 years ago
mongeese
This... is seriously the most rediculous series of vote-bombs that I have ever seen.

Doesn't anyone have ethics anymore?
Posted by mongeese 7 years ago
mongeese
Oh, sorry. But the point remains that Word will prove who wins the grammar point.
Posted by untitled_entity 7 years ago
untitled_entity
You said Excel's grammar check - Excel does not have a grammar check. That's what I meant by Word's Grammar Check.
Posted by untitled_entity 7 years ago
untitled_entity
Do you debate in real life? Or just online?
Does you winning or losing really matter that much, I mean, honestly?
What, will it bump you up to 99.58th percentile?

Don't be too full of yourself.
Posted by mongeese 7 years ago
mongeese
What was Word's check?
"Two points are simply awarding for still being in agreement with pro."
That's not even a criteria, especially when the agreement is irrelevant.
"In terms of conduct, I assume that was equally matched"
You have a lot to learn about online debating. A conceded round concedes the conduct point.
"Your use of 'no' was a little questionable"
When?
"To one person your argument may have seemed more convincing, to someone else, mine"
When the argument is irrelevant to the resolution, it doesn't matter how convincing it is.
"We both used sources"
Ah, but your sources were proven to be irrelevant.

"Why is the kettle calling the pot black?"
Because the kettle is white.
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