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austinoclavanski123
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imabench
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There will be another imperialist and predatory war on the DPRK

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imabench
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 5/2/2012 Category: Politics
Updated: 5 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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austinoclavanski123

Pro

WAR ON DPRK DEBATE: ROUND 1
This debate will be discussing a likely war on North Korea.
I am arguing that there will be a war of some kind. However, I am totally against any war on the DPRK. We will be discussing its history and current state and if there will be WAR!
Who will start the war? What will be te motive of the war?
This round is for acceptance.
imabench

Con

The Con makes a resolution saying "There will be another war of imperialism and predation against North Korea" So I am assuming that is what will be argued. I therefore accept this debate and will provide arguments of why there will not be another imperialist war against North Korea.

I accept this debate (that was sent directly to me for some reason) and await the Pro's arguments

Other then that,

Debate Round No. 1
austinoclavanski123

Pro

Who?
Over the past 100 years, war has been a regular and usual thing, even though we experienced the horrific WW1 and WW2 where millions were killed and the whole world came together to fight. Eventhough Japan surrendered to the USA in WW2, USA dropped 2, not just 1, but 2 nucleur bombs on civillian areas in Japan. Why did they do this? Was it their only option? Of course not! They did this to threaten the progressive USSR who were meanwhile defeating the Nazi's and uniting Europe with their successful regime. USA were frighened so they intimidated them and said "We are not affraid to use them". Now, USA are carrying out wars all over the world and uniting the world with, not democrasy, but exploitation and cold blooded imperialism. They have been commiting these monstrosities on developing countries such as Iraq and Libya. In addition to this, they are preparing for war on Iran. USA and her puppet allies will have no doubt of attacking the DPRK, a sovereign, developing and successful country. They have done it before, and the will do it again!

What?
Back in the Korean war, North Korea was bombed so much, it only had one building left standing in Pyongyang, the capital city. Millions of people died in the war but the DPRK is still, after all that, developing, secure and sovereign. The USA and her alies used not only usual heavy artillary, but biological warfare. They dropped diseased pests into North Korea to spread diseases and to destroy limited farming land. Will this happen again? In those days, to use biological warfare, it war like light sabres to the wookies. Now, with even more moderen millitary advances, this could definitely happen again, but on a whole diferent scale.

Why?
There are a couple of reasons why the Western imperialist powers would want to attack the DPRK:
1. The DPRK is one of the fastest developing countries in the whole world. After surviving Facist Japanese aggression, a civil war which split the country in half, they are constantly making new break-throughs in technoligy and society. Recently, they launched a satalite but unfortunately it failed due to lak of air space needed. But still, the western media used old school propoganda to demenise the DPRK, even though India launched a nuclear missile, but was there any arguing over that? Western domination cant take the fact that capitalism is failing and socialism is proggressing.
2. What is the final goal of imperialism, the highest stage of capitalism? World domination? Well it's certainly looking that way. However, there are a few high powers blocking there perades. These are the likes of China. China is the goal for USA. In charge of a massive population, cheap labour, massive space for corperate and exploiting business's, its a dream they will never have when a goverment in charge is so proggressive! Western imperialism has been making its journey east for decades. It started in the DPRK and vietnam, but they were pushed west to the oil rich middle east.

(Imabench, may you please deal with the disussion and not attack me or my politics like in previous debates. Thank you.)

Evidence
http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://rt.com...
The DPRK ambassador of Britain and his colleagues:
http://www.cpgb-ml.org...
http://www.flickr.com...
imabench

Con

" Eventhough Japan surrendered to the USA in WW2, USA dropped 2, not just 1, but 2 nucleur bombs on civillian areas in Japan"

Yeah they surrendered after the nuclear bombs were dropped....

"They did this to threaten the progressive USSR who were meanwhile defeating the Nazi's and uniting Europe with their successful regime"

Timeout. The US nuked Japan........ To send a message to USSR?? Russia and the US were allies throughout WWII because of their disdain for Hitler, in fact they were friends for two years AFTER WWII ended. The relations between the two countries came about from the division of Europe under Russia and western powers.

http://usforeignpolicy.about.com...

'USA were frighened so they intimidated them and said "We are not affraid to use them""

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" Now, USA are carrying out wars all over the world and uniting the world with, not democrasy, but exploitation and cold blooded imperialism"

We left Iraq last december, the trademark of imperialism is directly ruling over a previously independent area. Iraq has had their own government for years now though and the US has only been there to maintain order. Same as Afghanistan.

"They have been commiting these monstrosities on developing countries such as Iraq and Libya"

US didnt even deploy ground troops to Libya, in fact when Ghaddafi died the US and everyone else left...

"USA and her puppet allies will have no doubt of attacking the DPRK, a sovereign, developing and successful country."

You mean the one the US is giving food aid to in August of 2011?
http://www.tamilguardian.com...

". The USA and her alies used not only usual heavy artillary, but biological warfare. They dropped diseased pests into North Korea to spread diseases and to destroy limited farming land"

Completely false,

"The documents show Soviet, Chinese and North Korean officials knew the Korean War germ warfare charges against the United States were false, almost immediately after the communist nations issued them during the war in 1952."
http://articles.cnn.com...

"There is, however, considerable evidence in the archives that the United States did not use such weapons during the war. The authors base their conclusion on eight central arguments, each of which can be refuted by archival evidence and reasonable counter-arguments."
http://www.atimes.com...

"Now, with even more moderen millitary advances, this could definitely happen again, but on a whole diferent scale."

Wars arent fought with biological weapons anymore because now militaries (including the US) can now pick off targets with advanced targeting and all that stuff. Also there isnt an incentive to use biological weapons anymore since nations can now specifically target the military and reduce unnecessary civilian targets.

"The DPRK is one of the fastest developing countries in the whole world"

They are listed 22nd on the list of FAILED nations, lower than Cameroon, Bangladesh, Iran, Rwanda, and 140+ other nations..... They are also on the brink of famine as detailed by the food aid they are receiving.
http://en.wikipedia.org...

"After surviving Facist Japanese aggression, a civil war which split the country in half, they are constantly making new break-throughs in technoligy and society. "

Time for a history lesson. The Korean peninsula as we know it started after Japan had been forced out of Korea, Russia controlled the communist northern held, the US controlled the democratic southern portion. Then in 1950 North Korea launched an imperialist war against South Korea to make the entire region Communist. The US and UN then intervened to remove the overly aggressive government from power, only to have China invade and push US + UN forces back to where the border originally was.

Since then North Korea has struggled under famines, fuel shortages, and recently, a failed rocket launch. North Korea's military still is made up mostly of old Vietnam War era Chinese and Russian weapons/artifacts, the country defaulted on its debts like Greece did 20 years ago, and the country cant even afford to keep the electricity running at night.
http://historyrat.wordpress.com...
http://rich-ward.suite101.com...
http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://historyrat.wordpress.com...

"Recently, they launched a satalite but unfortunately it failed due to lak of air space needed"

It failed because it disintegrated into a billion pieces moments after liftoff....
http://www.nytimes.com...

"Western domination cant take the fact that capitalism is failing and socialism is proggressing"

Russia collapsed 20 years ago, the US is in a recession and recovering, there hasnt been a single purely communist state that hasnt collapsed....

"What is the final goal of imperialism, the highest stage of capitalism? World domination? Well it's certainly looking that way"

the policy of extending the rule or authority of an empire or nation over foreign countries, or of acquiring and holding colonies and dependencies.
http://dictionary.reference.com...

The goal of imperialism is simply to expand borders, capitalism plays maybe a minor role in it and I see no evidence suggesting this is the case...

"However, there are a few high powers blocking there perades. These are the likes of China. China is the goal for USA. In charge of a massive population, cheap labour, massive space for corperate and exploiting business's, its a dream they will never have when a goverment in charge is so progressive! Western imperialism has been making its journey east for decades. It started in the DPRK and vietnam, but they were pushed west to the oil rich middle east."

The US already has a massive population, (350,000,000+), many businesses and corporations, and the US has been like this for decades now, China has only had it since the 1990's.....

(Imabench, may you please deal with the disussion and not attack me or my politics like in previous debates. Thank you.)

Well if you could refrain from being a dick to me and saying things like,

"YOUR A PRICK!!! ROT IN HELL MPERIALIST SUPPORTER!!! HOPE UFEEL GOOD ABOUT YOURSELF!!!"
http://www.debate.org...

Then we wont have a problem....

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Reasons why there wont be another imperialist war against the hell hole called North Korea

1) There wasnt a first one. The first war was fought in self defense of Korea not to conquer North Korea.
2) The US doesnt want North Korea. The US has only wanted peace with them for 50 years, its their idiotic government that keeps threatening South Korea with attacks even though they hold rallies with fake weapons
http://www.huffingtonpost.com...
3) North Korea doesnt have anything of value to take. They dont have sources for Natural Gas, Oil, Coal, Electricity, or anything else for that matter. North Korea is mroe of a liability to take then a prize
4) The US is really against war now. After the debacles in Iraq and Afghanistan people dont want war, and for those who still like it they are calling for war against Syria or Iran, not North Korea
5) War with North Korea would be costly. Too costly for US to want to launch a war against North Korea even though their military is still from the 1960's

ill give more points later, Im already out of character space somehow
Debate Round No. 2
austinoclavanski123

Pro

austinoclavanski123 forfeited this round.
imabench

Con

I extend my arguments
Debate Round No. 3
austinoclavanski123

Pro

austinoclavanski123 forfeited this round.
imabench

Con

I hate it when people challenge me these things and then FF every round -_____-
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Koopin 5 years ago
Koopin
Sorry, I posted the vote three times by accident. And I can't get billy joel outta my head.
Posted by imabench 5 years ago
imabench
lol koopin!
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Reasons for voting decision: Honestly barely even read this debate, but Pro forfeits 2 rounds where there is 3 rounds for argument. So 4 points to Imachair....I mean Imatrashcan.....I mean Iamatiger.....errr Imawhateveryouare
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Reasons for voting decision: Slow down, you crazy child. Take the phone off the hook and disappear for awhile!