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backwardseden
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Pathetic
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There's so much hate spewing from god in the bible, so why should he exist?

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Started: 2/4/2018 Category: Religion
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backwardseden

Pro

* god is what gives people false hope
* god hates gays in his bible and wants them stoned to death LV 20:13 proving god hates and is evil
* god hates anyone that does not believe in him in his bible 2 CHR 15: 12-13, ESPECIALLY if someone worships another god/ idols other than himself, thus wants to kill them DT 13: 9-10 and 17: 2-5 proving god hates and is evil.
* god endorses slavery in his bible EX 21 the entire chapter especially 20-21 which is truly sick and disgusting, LV 25:39, LV 25:42, LV 25: 44-46, DT 15: 12-15, DT 23: 14-16, MT 18:25, proving god hates and is evil
* god gets jealous in his bible EX 20: 3-5, EX 34:14, DT 4: 23-24, DT 32: 16-17, DT 5:9, DT 6:15, JH 24:19, PS 79:5, PS 78:58, 2 COR 1:2, proving that he is evil and hates.
* god wants you to die in his bible if you break the sabbath EX 31:14, NU 15: 32-36 proving god hates and is evil
* god wants to put you to death in his bible if you commit adultery LV 20:10 proving god hates and is evil
* god has freely admitted in his bible numerous times that he IS evil IS 45:7, 2 SAM 12: 11-14 sick and disgusting, EX 32:14, 1 KS 1 22: 22-23, 2 CR 18:22, JM 19:3, JM 19:15, JM 23:12, AM 3:6, DT 30:15, 2 KS 22:16, JU 9:23 thus proving that he IS evil which is irrefutable and also proves he hates
* god in his bible knowingly and truly hates children through numerous passages such as LM4: 9-11, MT 10:37, MT 2:16, JG 21:10, 2 SAM 12:11-14 which is truly sick and disgusting, DT 2:34, NU 31: 17-18, LV 26: 21-22, 1 SAM 15:3, HS 13:16, 2 KS 15:16, EZ 9: 5-7, HS 9: 11-16, EX 12: 29-30, IS 13: 15-18, MT 2:16, (EX 21:17, LV 20:9, MK 7:10, MT 15:4, MT 10:21), JG 11: 30-33, PS 137: 8-9, 2 KS 6: 28-29, DT 21: 18-21, DT 32:25, DT 2: 32-34, DT 3: 3-6, JG 19: 24-29, EX 12:29, 2 HS 2: 23-24, LV 26:29, JM 11: 22-23, JM 19: 7-9, JM 51: 22-26, 2 KS 8: 9-15,LM 2: 20-22, RV 2: 18-23 only to name a few proves god hates and is 100% pure evil.
* god hates women in his bible LM 4 9-11 sick and disgusting, HS 13:16 sick and disgusting, JD 21:10, 2 SAM 12 11-14 sick and disgusting, DT 2:34, NU 31 17:18, LV 26 21:22, 1 SAM 15:3, HS 13:16 sick and disgusting, DT 2 32-34, 2 KS 8: 9-15, 2 KS 15:16 sick and disgusting, EZ 9: 5-7, HS 9: 11-16, 2 KS 6: 28-29 sick and disgusting, JD 19: 24-29, LM 2 20-22 sick and disgusting, 1 COR 14:34,1 TY 2:12 proves god hates and is evil.
* god loves rape in his bible NU 31: 17-18, 2 SAM 12: 11-18 sick and disgusting, JD 19:24-29, JD 21: 10-24, DT 20: 10-14, DT 22: 28-29, DT 21: 10-14, JD 5:30, EX 21 7-11, ZE 14: 1-2 proving that he is evil, pure evil and nothing but, and is filled with hate.
* god commits abortions who knows how many times within several verses in his bible, so that means that christians do not follow their god which is extremely hypocritical and contradictory from his bible HS 13:16 sick and disgusting, 2 KS 8: 9-15 sick and disgusting, 2 HS 15:16 sick and disgusting, HS 9: 11-16, and perhaps the biggest acts of abortions were committed in the great flood according to this so-called god of the bible in the great flood (which never happened btw) so who knows how many pregnant mothers died there in his bible thus proving this god to be nothing but pure evil and hate.
* god loves yummy cannibalism in his bible LM 2: 20-22, JM 11: 22-23, LV 26:29, 2 KS 6:28-29, LM 4: 9-11, proving this god to be truly sick and completely whacked out thus is evil and hates.
* Indeed god is far far far worse than Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, Hong Xiuquan, all serial killers, all rapists, all tortures, all pedophiles, all sadomasochists etc etc etc combined. After all god knowingly created them which means that he is ultimately responsible for them. Its either that or god is not a god and lets them off the hook with nothing but a tap on the shoulder for their horrific, disgusting, repugnant crimes and simply god---does---not---care. Now here's some examples of god"s sickened, diseased, abominable atrocities for absolutely no reason at all... the great flood according to the bible (which never happened btw) so who knows what the body count was there? 3,000 EX 32:27-28, 14,700 NU 16:49, 24,002 NU 25: 1-11, 12,000 JOS 8: 1-25, 10,000 JG 1:4, 120,000 JG 8:7-10, 42,000 JG 12:3-6, 1,000 JD 15:14-15, 3,000 JD 16:27-30, 25,101 JD 16:27-30, 1 SAM 4 34,002, 1 SAM 6:19 50,070, 2 SAM 8 65,850, 1 KI 20: 28-29 100,000, 1 KI 20: 30 27,000, KI 19 35 -37 185,000, 2 CHR 13 17-18 500,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, 2 CHR 28:6 120,000, Esther 9:5-18 75,813 etc etc etc Yeah god is really so moral huh? Nope.

Should you or anyone be worshiping this so-called god who in his bible has demonstrated he has a superior bloated ego complex in which NOBODY can even prove exists? Why?____ Why not?____ AND you go right ahead and refute the verses.

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Pathetic

Con

* If God exists, how does he give people false hope?This argument does not center around the existence of a God, but rather focuses on how a God like this could be kind and loving.
*Leviticus, Numbers, and parts of Exodus are filled with older rules that were phased out when Jesus came to Earth, creating a new covenant, or law, and dispensing with the old, flawed one.
* The gods in the Canaan area were worshiped by the sacrifice of human children, which is absolutely abhorrent and worse by far than any of the sacrifices required by God.
* Firstly, God doesn't "endorse" slavery. In fact, the rules in Exodus are very progressive for their time, viewing servants as human instead of as property, and allowing them to earn their freedom. Second, there is a big difference between servant and slave. A servant is a level up from a slave, and has more rights and freedoms. A servant is like an indentured person. A slave was, at least back then, nothing more than property, with little to no rights.
* The word jealous, as defined by Google Dictionary, has multiple meanings. The meaning used here is most likely the third one:
Fiercely protective or vigilant of one's rights or possessions. This would mean that God is fiercely protective of us, instead of being an evil being.
* The passages you cited are for people who have pledged themselves to become God's holy people. That came with a lot of benefits for the Israelites, but it also meant that they had to act like God's holy people. If they didn't, God would be within his rights to punish them.
* You do realize that committing adultery, at least back then, was pretty much rape, right?
* None of those verses say that He is evil, they just list instances of God condemning evil....
* Matthew 2:16 isn't even about God. You do know that that verse is about King Herod, right? Also, 2 Samuel 12:11-14 is about David doing some definitely doing some bad things, but he was punished for it later by God. I can't begin to list the other verses used out of context or just plain out of place, as that would waste all of my characters.
* If God loves rape, why does he have rules in place against it?
* The verses listed depict war, not clinics. Anyway, God never condones the use of abortions; he used it as punishment. BTW, how can you make arguments against the flood if it never happened? Anyway, it says in Genesis that the world had become so abhorrent that nobody even remotely considered doing any good, and that evil was everywhere.
* If God loves cannibalism, why does he use it as punishment? Anyway, in Lamentations, God had been warning the Israelites for around 40 years about that, and the Israelites ridiculed the person that God chose to send that message.
* The list of verses you presented here seems to be taken, for the most part, out of context. Not only that, but if God made Hitler, Mao, and Stalin, then he must have also made Gahndi, Martin Luther King Jr., and Mother Theresa. Again, God never condones death, he only uses it as punishment for those who are evil. God is good, but he also has to be just.

Overall, while you made some interesting points, I still disagree with you, mostly because of how anyone can see that these verses were taken blatantly out of context. Another interesting argument that I had read about proof for God's goodness is that, if he was an evil God, how could he make something as incredible as the universe? Something that is truly evil would never be able to make anything good. I await your response with great interest.
Debate Round No. 1
backwardseden

Pro

* "If God exists, how does he give people false hope?" Because he doesn"t exist. And even if he did it would be up to you to test and thus demonstrate that he does in which case you can"t. And then it would be up to you to prove faith which is NOT evidence, and then it would be up to you to prove that god is loving, peaceful, kind, caring, has harmony, and is not evil, angry, vengeful, has rage, has fury, has jealousy all in which he has freely admitted to in which he has passed down all of those emotions neatly down to man. You gave a preschool argument which was just shredded. And it really p**ses me off when preschoolers like you manage to take up my time and efforts because they cannot think, rationalize, reason, use common sense, use logic because you your god, your religion, your bible doesn"t require nor use a single ounce of it.
* "Leviticus, Numbers, and parts of Exodus are filled with older rules that were phased out when Jesus came to Earth"" Well um no. Not even close as jesus was a false prophet and you cannot even prove he existed. Now let"s say he existed" nowhere in god"s bible does it say that god grants jesus equal powers to that of god and or powers of that of jesus to change ---any--- of god"s laws, rules and regulations. So until you find those abilities in your bible where god gives these powers to your jesus, then these laws of the OT stand right where they are, unchanged. Not only that but jesus broke several of god"s laws such as working on the sabbath which should have warranted him the death penalty. In no way did he have the right to change that law, so he should have died right then and there. After he cannot self proclaim himself to be the messiah. Not only but pay attention teeny bopper and learn...
2 Tiimothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"

Proverbs 30:5 "Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him."

Isaiah 40:8 "The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever."
Got it? So regardless, NOTHING can be changed by your precious jesus regardless of ANYTHING. So your christ was false. Christianity was false. The NT was false.

* It is rather apparent that you have not looked at ANY of the verses proving that YOUR god truly hates children. I really hate people like you that cannot examine rock solid evidence especially when slapped in the face with it. But such is the ultimate christian typical yodeling Buddhist monk way who twiddles his knees and does not know any better because he is the average 14 year old.

* Oh absolutely god does endorse slavery. And if you would have bothered to have looked at the verses, in which you clearly did not do, then you would have realized this. There"s not one atheist of merit who would disagree with this and they all know a lot better than a complete moron like you. If you do crap like this again, then this debate will be over and I shall declare myself to be the instant winner. Now here"s solid proof for your eyes that your god actively endorses slavery in a video. WATCH IT!!!
- Is there slavery in the bible?

* The word jealous as described by Dr. Phil is "anger as disguised fear" and he"s right. And as usual you get it wrong, but that"s NOT a surprise in any way because if you look up the word under dictionary.com, it reads 6: Bible. intolerant of unfaithfulness or rivalry: The Lord is a jealous God. Regardless this shows YOUR god"s shallow imperfection in which no supreme deity would ---ever--- have this estranged emotion and would have chucked it long before man was rockin" in the cradle.
And you ignorantly state "This would mean that God is fiercely protective of us, instead of being an evil being." Jealousy is ALWAYS a super perverse evil no matter what that nobody needs NOT EVER in which case YOUR god neatly passed down to man so man could neatly learn to hate. "Protective of "us"? Who is this "us"?
* I"m not going to guess which verses you are referring to.
* "adultery, at least back then, was pretty much rape, right?" Oh no it wasn"t. Far from it.
Invent better excuses please.

Look you punk kid, if you cannot stay on track rather than jumping around all over the place, I"m not going to bother with you. Got it? Its not my job to follow you every which way you have gone bonkers off the map. And if you don"t like it, leave. I"m not here to please a teeny bopper like you.
Now"
* If you are referring to the verses where YOUR god freely admits that he IS evil, then he IS evil, and there is no other way of looking at it even though you and an incredibly small amount of christards like you cannot take their god at his word but have to invent excuses to cover for their god"s sorry hateful butt who IS evil and has freely admitted it. Wow. You must have 0 genuine friends and love ones. None. I mean after all you cannot take your god at his word. So how is it possible that you can take your friends and loved ones at their word?

* Then once again you JUMP AROUND to children. Matthew 2:16 is about "slew all the children" what fun huh? Children and severe abuse. Oh it is about god because he"s an ignorant f--k that causes this crap and and made absolutely no effort to stop it. 2 Samuel 12:11-14 As stated by theevilbible.com "This has got to be one of the sickest quotes of the Bible. God himself brings the completely innocent rape victims to the rapist. What kind of pathetic loser would do something so evil? And then he kills a child! This is sick, really sick!"Actually its one of the sickest quotes EVER printed. But you, since you do not have the ability to interpret ANYTHING correctly from his bible, cannot possibly discern from what is correct and what is false. So what do you do? Rather than saying the proper thing of "I don"t know" as any good scientist or atheist would, but those are terrorist words to christians because dare your god be imperfect? Well he is even according to his bible, you guess and you pretend and you invent excuses. So as always (you"ve never thus far have been right) are WRONG.
Nothing as far as the severe abuse of children was taken out of context. And NOBODY who has even the remotest cabbage batbrain and is able to read simpleton language would be able to disagree.
* "If God loves rape, why does he have rules in place against it?" And exactly what "rules would those be exactly? In truth I hope that you find them because that would mean that there would be yet more super hypocritical contradictions and inconsistencies in your bible out of at least a thousand or so thus making your bible unreadable as always.
* "Anyway, God never condones the use of abortions;" But you as christians do. So that is a supermassive major hypocritical contradiction. And that means you thus go against your god. AS STATED.
* "If God loves cannibalism, why does he use it as punishment?" What does "proving this god to be truly sick and completely whacked out thus is evil and hates." mean to you?

Overall, you"ve made no interesting points, none, and you"ve proven yourself to be a typical boring *yawn* christian with absolutely nothing interesting to say.

If you are going to continue with this program, then you need to go from point A to B to C and NOT jump around because the next time you do it, I will ignore you. Its not my job to follow you and guess what you are going to do next, especially from a floor plan that is so easily to follow. Also you are required to get your head in the game. Normally I would dump a person like you. But you in only being 14, I"ll give you another chance. If you were older, say 18, forget it.
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