These Characters Can beat Goku
Debate Rounds (5)
To whomever decides to take this Debate, he/she will pick one of the Five Characters taken from various comics/stories listed below, whom I will be debating For, and post that as well as any extra Requests in the next argument.
Characters (That I am debating for):
Jean Gray (Phoenix)
Hulk (Any form THAT I choose)
Green Lantern (Has indigo ring with him)
No limitations to arena.
Fighters start one mile a part
I hope to have a fun and interesting debate
In reference to what you mentioned about the Hulk, you are sadly mistaken if you think that is how limited his abilities are, he is Worshipped a God, and he has far advanced from what you think.
Hulk (Green Scar): The Hulk of World War Hulk is a cunning and more powerful version than the previous incarnations, for he is the insanely enraged version of the "Gravage Hulk". This incarnation has extremely high durability. He is a capable leader and strategist. Another source of the Green Scar's strength in comparison to other versions was his lack of inner conflict, if not alliance, with Bruce Banner. There were several instances where the Hulk and Banner worked together strategically, such as acting to disable DR. STRANGE. Bruce Banner is the 3rd smartest human in the world giving him (and the Hulk) a huge advantage over Goku who i mentioned earlier has the mind of a Ten year old. Not only that but Green Scar's base level of strength was dramatically increased. He can lift well over 100 tons in a functionally CALM emotional state. At this level, he started to release huge amounts of gamma energy from within his body, devastating New York, and causing quakes across North America. It would have taken but a couple of FOOTSTEPS from the Hulk to completely destroy the eastern seaboard. His anger tempered from its "Worldbreaker" levels by another confrontation with Skaar, and was proven even strong enough to take down the Red Hulk without much of a fight. The Hulk recently lived up to his "Worldbreaker" title by destroying a world not by attacking it, but rather from the huge amounts of gamma energy he was releasing because of his anger, he didnt even try to destroy it, it was an accident! Among his most amazing feats are supporting a falling 150 billion ton mountain, and ripping through a bunker designed to withstand the explosion of thousands of megatons in magnitude. He destroyed an asteroid Twice the size of earth with one punch, in a calm state once again. He would easily over power Goku. But you did mention something important about Goku that he has incredible stamina, however Hulk has more, Hulk can go seven days of straight fighting before feeling the littlest bit tired, not only that but like how his strength is limitless, only bound by how mad he gets. The angrier he gets the more stamina he recieves. Goku has a high level of Durability, Hulk has more, The Hulk has withstood the impact of a ground zero nuclear explosion and also the Human Torch's Nova Blast, with a temperature of one million degrees Fahrenheit, without any injury, a planet-shattering impact at point blank range, and a mighty blast from Galactus. Goku has extreme speed i will give him that but, the Hulk has enough speed to catch Bullets. he can also run at extreme speeds in a functionally calm state he can run close to the very speed of sound, The Hulk's durability, like his strength, is fueled by rushes of adrenaline. Now a couple things that the Hulk does have that Goku doesnt.
Regenerative Healing factor: he is capable of regenerating damaged or destroyed areas of his body (including limbs, internal organs, and even his head, For example, during a battle with Vector all of the skin and muscle mass of the Hulk were damnified. It took the Hulk but moments to regain the mass and be completely healed. The Hulk's healing factor also enables him to revert any physical transmutation. Hulk also heals faster and more efficiently the madder he gets.
Adaptation to Hostile Habitats: The Hulk is capable to adapt to inhospitable environments whenever it is necessary. Like his healing factor, it is believed that this ability is also fueled by his rage and the madder the Hulk is, the quicker the Hulk's body will adapt and after the Hulk adapts to a hostile environment (like space) he no longer needs sustenance and does not need air, water, food, or sleep.
Homing Ability: This applies even if the Hulk is in another dimension. This homing ability has also been used to find people on rare occasions. The Hulk's instincts led him to Rick Jones and Betty and the Hulk located the Abomination with no prior knowledge of his whereabouts. Goku could not escape hulk.
Teleporter: The Hulk as Green Scar created a device called a pocket teleporter using Bruce Banner`s intellect allowing Hulk to teleport wherever he wanted.
Then why do you suddenly look scared? Maybe you see that you could be ten times stronger than Hulk, and it still would not matter. Not when all Hulk has to do is become ten times as mad!!
from Superman's own admission, the Hulk is "…STRONG! Stronger than anyone i've EVER gone up against!" Superman doesn't say that about just anyone. Moreover, the fact that Hulk punched Supes into SPACE is just unheard of.
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Galactus, who only bestows the Power Cosmic to his heralds, and even willingly they can only handle a small amount of Galactus' power. And when Hulk EATS Galactus, he obtains the Power Cosmic and now has the ability to transverse space at will, and can devour planets.
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Reflecting Gladiator's eye beam back into his eyes, which was describe as being hotter than the center of the sun.
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Hulk outlives every other organism on Earth
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Anyways enough about Hulk, moving on to Divine Spawn.
It was recently revealed that Spawn’s body contained a number of lost souls. Twitch Williams estimated that their may have been near 6,000 souls in his body. However these souls have currently moved on, but Spawn still has their knowledge and experiences. Once again Making Spawn better intellectually and stratigictly than Goku. Spawn has been shown to lift and throw buildings with relative ease. Spawn like all other Characters has extremely high durability and resistance, he is able to fully regenerate his entire body in a seacond due to the effects of Necroplasm, he cannot be physically harmed, he has only fully died once but Spawn needed to die in order to be resurrected and gain the power to rival God and Satan, as stated by the Mother (created everything, including God, and Satan) such abilities are shown when Heaven and Hell attack Spawn with full force that almost destroy the whole universe, he calls to himself all the power given to him by the Mother, and in a single display of power destroys the armies of Heaven and Hell, along with the rest of humanity.
Spawn had been given great power due to the help of the Greenworld and the Mother. He was given the power to control the Earth itself after his battle. After giving him a piece of fruit from the Tree of Life the Mother gave Spawn godlike power. He used these new powers to engulf an army of Hellspawn in the Earth and send them back to Hell. He also used this power to destroy all of Hell and Heavens forces and the reconstructed all of Earth and it’s people and trapped God and Satan in their own realm to fight. Spawn returned to earth very fast due to his speed and teleportation skills after this battle Spawn learned that he had the power to travel to different dimensions.
Simmons uses this ability in various ways, including resurrecting the dead, firing blasts of necroplasmic energy, teleportation, flamebreathing, transmutation, manipulation of the elements, shape-shifting, flight, and curing the sick. Spawn is practically immortal unless beheaded by a weapon of heaven.
A list of other powers Divine Spawn has is:
• Time Manipulation
• Healing (even though he techniqually immortal)
• Wall Clinging
• Dimensional Manipulation.
Spawn’s power is only truly limited by imagination and his units of necroplasm.
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In reference to future debates you need to be more specific as to the exact form of hulk. If you rank all these characters all on goku, without question they will win. In recognition goku has many other forms, more than hulk. obviously, there are extremely powerful which surpass hulk.
1. Goku can transform into Oozaru. This form is when he transforms into a super sized, or consistently called great ape.
2. Pre Super Saiyan which is contained before, evolving into Super Sayain
3. Super Saiyan, Which during this transformation, goku's power rate doubled
4. Ultra Super Saiyan, a form which surpass the Super Sayain Abilities
5. Ultra Super Saiyan 2 which is the final Ultra saiyan limit
6. Full powered Saiyan, in this form it is a melo state which endures peace without losing power or energy.
7. Super Saiyan 2, in this state goku acomodates a large number of energy, endurance, speed, and power
8. Super Saiyan 3, has all the powers of his forms, same as Super saiyan 2 but immencly more powerful. Which arcs of aura and electricity
9. Super Saiyan 4, this transformation is very different form the rest. Goku has arcs of fire and aura, his hair is black and lenghthend.
More information on transformations in other rounds
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Jean's telepathy allows her to read, influence, control, and communicate with the minds of others, project her mind into the astral plane, and generate telepathic force blasts that can stun or kill others. She can also telepathically take away or control people's natural bodily functions and senses, such as sight, hearing, smell, taste, or even mutant powers. A side effect of her telepathy is that she is gifted with an eidetic memory.
Her telekinetic strength and skill are both of an extremely high level, capable of grasping objects in Earth orbit and manipulating hundreds of components in mid-air in complex patterns. She uses her telekinesis to often lift herself and others giving her the ability of levitation and flight. She also uses her telekinesis to create durable shields and energy blasts. She later manifests a "telekinetic sensitivity" to objects in her immediate environment that lets her feel the texture of objects, their molecular patterns, feel when other objects come into contact with them, and probe them at a molecular level.
When transformed into Phoenix, Jean's powers escalate to an incalculable level, allowing her to rearrange matter at a subatomic level, fly unaided through space, survive in any atmosphere, and manipulate electromagnetic and cosmic energies for various effects and atmospheric disturbances. She can also create stargates that can transport her to anywhere in the universe instantaneously. As the Phoenix, Jean is also able to resurrect after death. In some depictions, these resurrections are immediately after she is killed The Phoenix Force allows Jean to revive, absorb, re channel, and preserve the life-force of any kind of life-form, meaning that she can take life energy from one person and give it to others, heal herself with the same life energy, or even resurrect the dead, since the Phoenix is the sum of all life and death. overwhelmed and corrupted by her god-like powers. She transforms into a force of total destruction - now called Dark Phoenix she consumes a star, inadvertently killing the inhabitants of the star's solar system, and jeopardizes the entire universe. Eventually, in a regained moment of mental clarity. She can create realistic telepathic illusions and cause people to experience events which are not actually occurring. She can possess the mind of another, and use that being's body as her own. She can alter the minds of others by force of will, permanently changing their personality partially or entirely, That would mess up Goku a lot if his personality were to instantly change,She can induce temporary mental or physical paralysis She can erase any awareness of particular memories or cause total amnesia. She can transfer both her mind and powers into other host bodies if her own physical body could be somehow killed.
Psionic Blast: She can project psionic force bolts which have no physical effects but which can affect a victim's mind so as to cause the victim pain or unconsciousness and turning someone brain-dead. Goku has extreme durability and physical toughness, jean gray gets around this by attacking the mental, in which goku is a 10 year old. While she has access to the Phoenix Force, she is able to manipulate matter and energy on a sub-atomic scale using her telekinesis.
Jean, while acting as a Phoenix Force avatar, can create 'cosmic' flames under any conditions even the impossible ones such as vacuum space or underwater. These flames do not require oxygen to burn,
Jean and the Phoenix Force are one-and-the-same entity at some fundamental level, and as such Jean can never truly die. Upon the death of her corporeal form, Jean spends time in the The White Hot Room doing 'Phoenix work'. The Phoenix Force can also restore Jean's body to life, although there appears to be some unknown limitation to how quickly it can successfully accomplish this following her death.
Doctor Strange is a master magician and was the holder of the title of "Sorcerer Supreme" for several years. Strange has been described as "the mightiest magician in the cosmos", and as "more powerful by far than any of your fellow humanoids" by Eternity, the sentience of the Marvel Universe. The entity known as the Stranger considers him on a level with cosmic entities.
Strange draws his powers from several mystical entities, such as the Vishanti or the Octessence These entities usually lend their power to a particular effect, such as the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak, which are used by Strange to entrap foes Strange can use magic to achieve virtually any effect he desires, such as telepathy, energy blasts, teleportation, astral projection, the creation of materials (such as food and water), creating planet-wide protective shields. restoring himself from bodily destruction or resurrecting the dead, stopping and reversing time, sealing black holes, restoring universes, absorbing power enough to unconsciously destroy any surrounding galaxies, growing to the size of and merging with universal concepts, and helped to channel the mass of the entire Marvel Universe
Doctor Strange was met by Thor, Strange summoned magic to pass through Thor, carrying away the Odinpower from him. Shows how easily he can take powers away.
Universal Source: By manipulating the ambient mystical energy of this universe, Dr. Strange can perform a great many functions. Commonly this is seen as energy bolts that range from low power to planet destroying he uses this mystical energy to cast spells of a near infinite variety . . .
■Intangibility: The ability of Invisibility or Near-Invisibility and Phasing through solid material.
■Banishment: Dr Strange has banish many types of creatures and humans to other dimension but the extent of this is only possible as long as the 'Banish-ers' magic is greater then that of the 'Banish-ees' magic during the banishment.
■Flight: Doctor Strange can fly using magical energy
■Time Manipulation: Strange has frozen, slowed, and traveled through time.
■Conjuring of Objects
■Various other spells: He can also use this mystical energy to cast spells of a near infinite variety. Strange has used his magics altogether to become alter his clothing through minor molecular control, absorb nearly all forms of energy, control and manipulate elements.
Divine Sources: Dr. Strange can channel the virtually unlimited extra-dimensional energy of nigh-omnipotent mystical and non-mystical beings in multiple dimensions (known as Principalities) to empower his spells.
Strange's magical powers at their greatest peak exceeds that of even the Watcher Uatu and rivals that of other great beings, such as the Heralds of Galactus or Ronan the Accuser. Strange has been said to be able to destroy the Hulk with a twitch of his finger. ( the previous forms of Hulk, Green Scar when he returned to earth and went Chaotic, was shown to beat Dr.Strange not to mention all the other superheroes on the planet.)
Expert Strategist: Stephen possesses considerable strategic skills, which he has employed as leader of the Defenders, all of which, combined with his level of intellect rivaling that of Reed Richards, Tony Stark, and the other great minds of the Marvel Universe and surpassing those with amazing intelligence.
The Hands of the Dead, a highly powerful item created fifteen centuries ago, that allows Strange and others to "enter the tides of time and space, travel the world in the blink of an eye, even be in several places at the same time"
The Hand of the Vishanti, capable of locating others by helping them expel their ethereal form.
The Jewel of Transhypnosis, owned by the Ancient One, can teleport its wielder into another dimension by focusing their concentration upon it and has the power to transform matter into imagination.
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And last but not least :Green lantern:
Abilities and Powers:
■Fear Projection: Being connected to Parallax, Hal was able of manipulating the Yellow Energy of Fear without the aid of a Qwardian Power Ring. He could create constructs and use them for combat. Hal had immense fear-casting powers, strong enough to easily scare the likes of Superman and Wonder Woman, except those who are capable of understanding and conquering inner fear such as Kyle Rayner and Batman. His powers included hypnosis.
■Reality Manipulation: Hal had the omnipotent ability to alter reality to his own benefit.
■Time Manipulation: Hal could control and travel through time.
■Immortality: The power of Parallax made Hal immortal.
■Immortality: Hal could not be killed in the traditional sense, although he could be harmed through sufficiently powerful means.
■Flight: Hal could fly through the lower atmosphere and outer space at any speed.
■Divine Wrath: Hal had the power to judge souls by their Earthly deeds.
■Sorcery: Being connected to Spectre allowed Hal to perform several acts of magic.
■Cosmic Awareness: Despite lacking omniscience, Hal gained a deep understanding of the inner workings of the universe.
■Immortality: Being connected to the Entity made Hal immortal and unable to be killed through any kind of means.
■Power of Life: As the host of the Entity, Hal was able to manipulate the White Light of Creation and perform many extraordinary feats, such as resurrect dead people.
■Wormholes & Spacial Warps: Their power grants its wearer access to wormholes in space, enabling the them to rapidly cut time and distance needed for transport.
■Time Travel: Time travel is possible with the powers of the lanterns and Indigo tribe, though the further forward in time they travels, the more willpower it takes.
Energy Absorption: The tribe can absorb and store most other energies. Doing so does NOT replenish the normal store of energy they have.They can reflect it back.
Flight: By the manipulation of anti-gravitons and directed molecular movement, they can fly at incredible speeds. In atmosphere, an indigo tribal has been known to fly as fast as Mach 10 in atmosphere by creating an aerodynamic envelope around his body. Towing others, usually within a bubble, his/her speed is limited to the twice the speed of sound or 1440 mph. In space,an indigo tribal speed can be significantly greater and has been known to approach 80% of lightspeed in normal space. Flight is possible at velocities exceeding light speed. In atmospheres, air friction is not a hindrance, since heat is either absorbed or reflected by the ring's field.
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