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Thinking In Base 12 Is Easier Than Thinking In Base 10, Disregarding Establishment

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Posted by GibbyCanes 3 years ago
And to edibleshrapnel, Mensa is a high IQ society not a math society. Some of its members didn't even finish high school. Also you're*
Posted by GibbyCanes 3 years ago
The problem with just the concept of this argument is that a duodecimal system has the same number names. The symbols change, not the English words. In fact, that is sort of the point:

The number symbol "10" would represent the number word "twelve." Thus 100 = One hundred forty four, 10/3 = 4, 10/4 = 3, etc. The usual "Ten's Place" becomes the "Twelves Place" and the "One Hundred's Place" becomes the "One Hundred Forty Fourth's" place.

Changing the number names would mean you are no longer using elements from the set of all real numbers, it would be it's own set of elements with it's own properties and mathematical operations, and those properties would all have to be proved, and the entire set would be useless because all of the benefits of a duodecimal system are based on prime numbers and factors, which are concepts that are drawn from real numbers.
Posted by BradK 3 years ago
Sorry to hear you were interested in this one.

I actually lean very personally towards my side in the debate, so I was interested to hear if people could come up with any counter arguments.

Some of the ones that I can think of in favour of con would be:

-in base ten, 10 log_10 (2) = 2.98 ~=3. In other words, doubling the signal power is the same as adding rougly 3 decibels. It's only an accident of using base 10, that doubling the power of a signal results in a decibel value VERY close to an integer (or in other words, halving the signal power is the same as subtracting 3 decibels) .... however in base twelve, 10 log_10 (2)=3.42 dB. So when people talk about the 3dB point in base 10, they are talking about the uglier 3.42 dB point in base twelve. That's an argument in favour of con.

-in base ten, the powers of two happen, by accident, to show this pattern:
2^9 = 512
2^10 = 1024 ~= 1000
What that means is that say you have 2^6 which is 64. 2^16 is about a thousand times more than 64 (when you work it out it's 65536, close enough. Often memory is rounded off, say in this case, to 64 kB)
in base twelve, 2^10 is NOT close to any power of 10. It is actually 2454. We can't round that to anything close to a power of the base because it's too far away. People who make memory would not be able to easily say "64 kB" or "64 GB", because no such unit conversion exists. It's for the same reason you can't say "there are about 120 inches in a yard"; it's actually 36. It just doesn't convert that way. So base ten is also better for working with powers of 2.

So those are two arguments that my opponent could have used against me, if he had not forfeited. Seeing as how the debate is still ongoing though, he can use them if he comes back from quivering in the bushes.

I am not sure how he could have countered the 3 arguments I put up initially though. I'm not gonna try to counter them yet haha.
Posted by SeventhProfessor 3 years ago
It's so annoying. A lot of people come to the website for a day, accept a few debates, and never return. I'll be voting in your favor, and was really looking forward to this debate.
Posted by BradK 3 years ago
He'll forfeit the whole thing now watch.
Posted by Logi 3 years ago
I think the strategy here will be to entrap one's opponents in one's nonsensical language lol.
Posted by BradK 3 years ago
..No it's not mensa. It's just using different names for powers of 12, the same that you use for powers of ten

10^1 = ten
10^2 = hundred
10^3 = thousand
10^4 = ten thousand.

Same thing, different numbers and words.
Posted by edibleshrapnel 3 years ago
Dude, your really confusing. Is this like Mensa math stuff? Looks complicated.
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