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This House Believes That Homework is Futile in Today's Soceity

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Started: 2/17/2015 Category: Education
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TheAdamb99

Pro

It's basically forcing students to go home after a stressful day of school and activities and do pointless homework. Teachers should be teaching these things in class, not making the students learn it themselves. It's preventing children from leading balanced lifestyles, with a healthy amount of sleep and activities to keep them fit and active. How is a student supposed to do 3 to 4 hours of homework, study for a plethora of tests and quizzes, play sports, get involved in the community, eat food with nutritional value, and get an adequate amount of sleep, all in one day? That's not possible. The amount of stress homework causes kids is ridiculous, especially when they're already under so much pressure to get into a good college and do well in school, along with making friends and staying active. Homework is not necessary.

Homework is pointless because kids do enough work in school and they don't need more. When they come home they want to chill out, hang out with friends, or do something. Kids are in school for 8 hours a day doing work, other than lunch and recess. Homework is not relevant for kids. I did a survey at school at resource, and a majority of kids say that homework should be banned in school because it is stressful and they procrastinate until the last second. There is no point in homework. It takes away from spending time with family. According to the text with research 'Homework Should be Banned,' "Schools has increased from 9 to 3 with 1 " hour of recess and lunch to 8:40 to 3:15 with only 30 minutes of lunch and recess." This quote shows that too much is just too much homework. Also, another reason is that, according to research, some of the smartest countries like Finland and Japan don"t have homework. We can be just as smart as them without homework. This shows that homework has no academic benefits for grades.

As a student, I don't get home from school until 4:30 or 5:00 and I am doing homework sometimes until 8:30 almost every night. It is very stressful when you have seven classes a day and homework in every single class; it becomes very overwhelming. On top of that, I have to get up every morning at 5:30 am just to catch my buss at 6:40. Many mornings are very hard for me because of lack of sleep from the night before staying up doing homework and studying for two or three tests the next day.

If they banned homework, test scores might improve because then students would have more time to study and be prepared than if we have five different subjects to do on top of studying for a test the next day.

Homework should NOT be assigned in schools. It is just a waste of time and is just too much. One reason why homework should be banned is because homework is just too much. Schools have been increased so there is no point into giving homework. According to the text with research Homework Should be Banned, "Schools has increased from 9 to 3 with 1 " hour of recess and lunch to 8:40 to 3:15 with only 30 minutes of lunch and recess." This quote shows that too much is just too much. Students should not cry because of homework. School has been expanded. Have you ever wonder why lunch has been a little shorter than in 1st grade? To include to that too much homework is bad for you. As they say "Too much of something is not good for you". Second of all, homework just makes kids hate school even more. According to the text Homework should be eliminated, it says "Excessive or pointless homework turns children away from the joy of learning." Homework is the only word kid"s fear. This quote shows that homework should be fun; it should not be a torture. Every time in school, at the beginning of the year, you"ll hear "Have fun". Students cannot have fun when homework is torturing kids. Like Jia Ming said, it is no help. Learning needs to be a positive experience learn with a smile and you can walk an extra mile.
Another reason why homework should be banned is because it is evil. According to the text Homework should be Eliminated, "When students have hours of homework, they don"t get enough sleep, sunlight, and exercise." This shows that too much homework can cause be things to happen. You don"t spend time with your family, your backpacks become really heavy, and this explains why kids are obese. Kids spend so much time doing there homework they don"t have time to even go to sleep. These things can cause a lot of pressure and stress in high school. Also another reason is that according to research some of the smartest country like Finland and Japan don"t have homework. We can be just as smart as or smarter than them without homework. This shows that homework have no academic achievements towards grades. This is why kids should not repeat not have homework.
Finally homework is just too overwhelming. After school, you either have to do chores or go to after school activities. According to the article "Homework Should Be Banned", it says that "homework should vanish because sometimes when you have homework, you have other activities to do such as music lessons, or an after school job". Homework is just too big. When you have a lot of after school activities you end up doing it at the last second. To prove it I sometimes see many kids doing homework during breakfast hmm"Felix...Too much homework can cause stress and give kids a bad grade instead of helping.

Inundating children with hours of homework each night is detrimental, the research suggests, while an hour or two per week usually doesn't impact test scores one way or the other. However, homework only bolsters students' academic performance during their last three years of grade school. "There is little benefit for most students until senior high school (grades 10-12)," Walker told Life's Little Mysteries.

The same basic finding holds true across the globe, including in the U.S., according to Gerald LeTendre of Pennsylvania State University. He and his colleagues have found that teachers typically give take-home assignments that are unhelpful busy work. Assigning homework "appeared to be a remedial strategy (a consequence of not covering topics in class, exercises for students struggling, a way to supplement poor quality educational settings), and not an advancement strategy (work designed to accelerate, improve or get students to excel)," LeTendre wrote in an email.

This type of remedial homework tends to produce marginally lower test scores compared with children who are not given the work. Even the helpful, advancing kind of assignments ought to be limited; Harris Cooper, a professor of education at Duke University, has recommended that students be given no more than 10 to 15 minutes of homework per night in second grade, with an increase of no more than 10 to 15 minutes in each successive year.

Most homework's neutral or negative impact on students' academic performance implies there are better ways for them to spend their after school hours than completing worksheets. So, what should they be doing? According to LeTendre, learning to play a musical instrument orparticipating in clubs and sports all seem beneficial, but there's no one answer that applies to everyone.

"These after-school activities have much more diffuse goals than single subject test scores," he wrote. "When I talk to parents " they want their kids to be well-rounded, creative, happy individuals " not just kids who ace the tests."

That is why Homework is Futile!
gannon260

Con

http://www.centerforpubliceducation.org...

Although i admit that too much homework is bad and that homework doesn't mean student achievement. Homework does in fact help someone consolidate information. I support 1-2 hours of home work because I feel that it is beneficial to that extent.

futile-pointless

I will show why homework is not pointless

first i will negate my opponents main argument:

""study for a plethora of tests and quizzes, play sports, get involved in the community, eat food with nutritional value, and get an adequate amount of sleep, all in one day?""

I am a student athlete, i am also an A student as well as being actively involved in my church and other clubs. Eating nutritional food has no correlation with doing homework. 6-7 hours of sleep is adequete and manageable with all the other things I do. To answer your question, I do a little trick called time management skills. During boring classes, i optimize efficiency by doing homework or studying to reduce time back at home. I take naps on bus rides to ensure that i am energized for the day ahead. I plan what i'm gonna do and what i have to prioritize.

""As a student, I don't get home from school until 4:30 or 5:00 and I am doing homework sometimes until 8:30 almost every night. It is very stressful when you have seven classes a day and homework in every single class; it becomes very overwhelming. On top of that, I have to get up every morning at 5:30 am just to catch my buss at 6:40. Many mornings are very hard for me because of lack of sleep from the night before staying up doing homework and studying for two or three tests the next day.""
so you do homework until 8:30 and yet you can't find adequete ammounts of sleep. 8:30-5:30 is like 9 hours of sleep, that's plenty. You need to either A) know how to stress yourself out less by doing exercise or meditation or B) stop trying so hard in school and learn to be more efficient. You most likely taking classes you can't handle and that's why your overstressed.

"" they banned homework, test scores might improve because then students would have more time to study and be prepared than if we have five different subjects to do on top of studying for a test the next day.""

That may not be true, most kids when given free time, watch netflix or play Xbox. The really dedicated ones who would study if they had time most likely already do study since they prioritize. Also, kids can study in the summer if they really wanted to.

""one reason why homework should be banned is because homework is just too much."

why don't we just assign less homework then and not ban it completely.

""Another reason why homework should be banned is because it is evil.""

Lol, you have plenty of time to go to sleep. Homework is voluntary, the government doesn't force you to do it. You are obligated to do it for a better grade but you don't have to sacrifice everything if you truly don't want to.

""according to research some of the smartest country like Finland and Japan don"t have homework. We can be just as smart as or smarter than them without homework. This shows that homework have no academic achievements towards grades. This is why kids should not repeat not have homework.""

This statement has no evidence to back it up. You cited Finland as an example of where there is no homework yet they're doing fine. This article to some extent agrees with you, but it also shows that they're are factors aside from that. In Finnishsocieties, teachers are looked as something good for the community. Finnish classroom sizes are also much smaller which allows for more individual learning time. In Finland, they're are no accelerated class so everyone learns at the same pace(which is bad for high achievers like me). We cannot become like Finland!! Abolishing homework does not lead to more academic success, that is from the basis of a logical fallacy. Correlation between no homework and high test scores does not mean causation. You know what is correlated with better test scores? Good teachers, which Finland has an America sadly lags behind in."More than two decades of research findings are unequivocal about the connection between teacher quality and student learning."

http://www.smithsonianmag.com...
http://www.centerforpubliceducation.org...
onto my main points
Homework is far from pointless. It exercises the most important organ in your body, your brain. Without homework, we wouldn't mentally stimulate ourselves and we won't apply ourselves anywhere outside of school. Doing homework ensures that you know what the teacher is teaching and you know if you understand concepts enough to apply them to homework questions etc. The education system is here to prepare ourselves for the workforce and stressful scenarios. Oftentime, people who work have things or objectives to complete at home(businessmen) and homework teaches people how to prioritize outside of the workplace.

Homework is voluntary. You won't get arrested for not doing homework. Homework is just work in itself, if you want to apply yourself and get a good grade, you should do it. If you can't handle all the stress and all the time management you have to do, then don't. It's simple really.

Homework prepares you for the workload you will receive in universities. Universities oftentime require their students to write essays, lab reports, take home tests, and a whole lot of other stuff. If students weren't taught how to effectively do homework and essays at home outside of school, then these students may fail these courses. Our university system is the BEST in the world, you can't disagree with that. Our homework load prepares us for these awesome universities. 6 out of the top ten universities are in the US, 4 in the UK, and both do homework. Where is Finland on that chart?

This House Believes That Homework is Futile in Today's Soceity

Homework helps you spell. When you write an essay, you are crtiqued on your grammer or spelling errors. This helps you learn from your errors. You misspelled society in your title.

""This House Believes That Homework is Futile in Today's Soceity""

This shows how much homework you need to do and how educated you truly are.
Debate Round No. 1
TheAdamb99

Pro

This statement is quite self explanatory so let me give you some research I found: "there is absolutely no evidence of any academic benefit from assigning homework in elementary or middle school. For younger students, in fact, there isn't"t even a correlation between whether children do homework (or how much they do) and any meaningful measure of achievement. At the high school level, the correlation is weak and tends to disappear when more sophisticated statistical measures are applied." Now, why give children homework if it doesn't work? You say it is because it leads them to success for their next test or quiz. Well- and this is my personal opinion- the teacher should prepare you for that test or quiz. The teacher should be responsible, have the students take notes, answer some questions in class, and then have the stuff that would've been homework, become class work. It's that simple. Now there may be some thought on that there's not enough time in the class period. Well, then extend it or if the student has questions, let them come into you after class so that they still get the concept. Then, before a test or quiz, review a little, get the student's brains going, and take it. I don't study for certain classes because the teacher reviews it when we get in the class for ten minutes and then we take it and I've aced almost every one. If someone needs to study extra, good for them, but don't make a study guide mandatory. And in fact, if someone gives too little or too much homework it bring diminishing returns (the opposite of where you want to go) and because a teacher doesn't know the exact amount of homework to give for every individual student, then homework wouldn't work anyways. Now to my next point.

Homework and time

Between the busy life schedules of parents and students, homework can get in the way. I have already covered that homework simply doesn't work; so if it doesn't work, why waste time on that when you could be doing something exciting? Many students have other things to do than sit at their desk doing pages of homework and studying for the three tests they have tomorrow. It can become a burden and make the student's not want to go to school or not do it because its time consuming nature. Kids want to play sports and do things they enjoy and hang out with friends. Why should all of those suffer because they have to sit at home and do some homework that doesn't work anyways? Why should their social life suffer or their relationship with their family suffer because of useless homework? Let kids be kids and let them have fun instead of burdening them with homework.
Now to my next point.

Homework creates stress.

Homework, stress, and time can all be related. Because of other things, kids don't have enough time to do homework, or visa versa, and then it creates stress. Like I have said before, homework doesn't work. Studies have shown there is zero correlation between the academic scores and homework. The best is a very low percentage and the worst, nonexistent. So, if homework creates stress, that's unneeded stress and another thing to add on to the disadvantages list. Especially for those who don't have a good family life or are poor, they don't have resources. If teachers are giving the kids homework and the kids doesn't have a computer or can afford a text book, well then there goes their grade. Even if they try, they won't be able to succeed with resources that a classroom has. This can cause stress on them because they want to succeed and they can't help their position in life. It stresses kids out. In a statistics article I read a few months back, it said that homework was the main leader of the five stressors in a life and family. Why is stress better than homework?

Rebuttals

If the kid really tried and wanted the grade then yes, they would got over notes and the book to make sure they are going to get an A. Most parents care about their kid so they'll make them anyways do the studying. Homework isn't essential if they have a good teacher. I've gotten good grades without studying because the teacher reviewed and made sure we understood it before she handed out the test or quiz.
gannon260

Con

My partner has sited no evidence which to back up his argument as i have, therefore vote con based on reliability and supported debates which are far superior to endless analytics and supposed "studies" that have no defined source.

My partner also completely conceded and dropped the preparation advantage where if home work prepares people for the workforce with all this time management skills and stress. Preparation and education for the workforce is why we go to school in the first place, so why don't we do homework as well?

pro:"Homework creates stress."

stress is good in adequete quantities. Therefore homework is good if limited, therefore homework is not usless and futile. According to a Berkeley study, some stress can actually be good for you.

"Kirby discovered that the stressed rats performed better on a memory test two weeks after the stressful event, but not two days after the event. Using special cell labeling techniques, the researchers established that the new nerve cells triggered by the acute stress were the same ones involved in learning new tasks two weeks later."

stress in adequete amounts can boost future memory capabilities therefore future productivity. Productivity is good.

http://newscenter.berkeley.edu...;

The fact is homework can cause stress. But is stress truly that bad? According to the berkeley study above, stress in adequete amounts can boost memory. Homework is a tool that teachers can use to assess students while at home, not a torture device as pro has put it as. Homework in small amounts can be beneficial. I am not calling for a drastic increase in homework, merely that homework maintains a stock in our education system as a means and a tool for teachers. Yes inclass reviews with teachers can be effective, but so can homework assignments that practice your brain's ability to problem solve and think. As the cliche goes, practice makes perfect.
Debate Round No. 2
TheAdamb99

Pro

To say that I have sited no evidence to back up my argument, I have left sources. My debate is reliable, and also far better than the argument that you are making!

Now back to the main cause - Homework!

Time is valuable. We all need some time to ourselves. School already takes up a lot of time and it is necessary to have time which does not involve concentrating on learning. Education is not the only important activity in everyone"s day; physical activity, play, and time with family are just as important as all teach life skills just in different ways. The internet makes it possible to be learning at home, there are even many computer games that help with learning. Homework clashes with these other activities. It can damage family relationships as it means parents have to try and make their children do their homework.

Homework does not only take up time doing the homework at home but also takes up time in class. First there is the time that the teacher takes when explaining the task. Then more time is taken going through the homework when it is done and marked. This time could be better spent engaging with the class to find out what they do and don"t understand. The answer to this is to have more time in class rather than boring homework.

We are not the only ones who take a lot of time on homework, our teachers do as well. The teacher needs to design the homework, explain it, mark each piece individually, and tell everyone what they got right and wrong. If all this is not done then the homework loses its value as we need to be told individually what our mistakes are to be able to learn from homework. Teachers could as easily use the classwork to find out who knows what they are doing and who are making mistakes and it would save them time.

Also when you mentioned, "My partner also completely conceded and dropped the preparation advantage where if home work prepares people for the workforce..." I will reiterate that it doesn't prepare us for adult life. Your life in school prepared you in just the wrong way for your life at work. In early school, your classes are chosen for you, the class material is outlined by the government (of all things). In later schools, you have some say in which classes you take, and what sports or arts you"re involved in. Then in college, a world a freedom of choice! You can pick all of your classes, pick your major, even invent a major! Study abroad, switch from economics to veterinary science just by filling out a form, play sports, start clubs, join a fraternity, take summer and winter classes. You"re in charge of everything! Then you get a job, and suddenly, all of that freedom is gone. At work, you do what you are told to do, on someone else's schedule, to someone else"s standards, regardless of whether you think it"s the right thing in the right way. You have just fallen from the pinnacle of being in control to the depths of being controlled.

One of the biggest things that causes stress (as a student) is homework. One of the main reasons is, as a student, I don"t think for a second that I actually benefit from homework. To me, it"s just something that causes unnecessary stress and in the end doesn"t actually do much for you. Sure, some practice of graphing concepts is good, but why couldn"t we just do board work in class? I think that we, as students, should not have homework for a number of reasons.
Some people say that homework is good. Some people say that homework is bad. Some just don"t care (not many). The people that say it is good usually argue that, well, as the saying goes, practice makes perfect. Like I said, why not do board work in school instead of sending work home? The dictionary definition of "school" is: "an institution where instruction is given, especially to persons under college age: The children are at school." In this case, why not just do a little practice to let the teachers make sure that the student understands the concept, and once they do, why do teachers bother to give them 10-20 more problems to do at home? Besides, from what I understand about teachers, they (maybe you are a teacher as well, you can possibly relate to this) hate grading homework and find it just as annoying as we do.
Another reason we shouldn"t have homework: it causes unnecessary stress. If what I said in the above paragraph is true, which it is, then homework is pointless. If there is no point to homework, then why assign it? All it does is cause stress that isn"t needed. Why would you do that? I have (as a student) had quite a lot of times where I have been up a lot longer than usual doing homework, sometimes make-up from missed school, sometimes because I simply forgot that we had homework in a particular subject and therefore didn"t do it. I then had to make it up the next night, and got marked down for it. Humans are forgetful. That means I got marked down because of human nature. Some people say that homework teaches students self-discipline and responsibility; I know from experience that that is NOT true. I also found NO evidence for that while I was researching. Others say that it creates a link between school and family. OK, so other than intruding on time that could be spent with family how does it do that? Still, some say that it helps kids to like learning. Again, I know from experience that this is NOT TRUE! If anything, it does the exact opposite of that. We all know it: Everyone hates homework.

If we get too much homework it can take the enjoyment out of learning. No matter how engaging the teacher is in class homework will almost certainly be stressful, boring and tiring. It is simply much harder to make homework engaging and interesting as it is often done on our own. We know that there is no direct link between how much homework is set and grades. Studies done on this come to different conclusions so teachers should only set homework when they are sure it is needed. When we only get homework occasionally we will consider that piece more important and a better use of time. "stress is good in adequete quantities." - spelling mistake there partner (should be adequate). I agree in adequate quantities - however, in school, teacher push this to the limit and I certainly do not think 4-5 hours in an adequate stress level for a 15 year old boy.

I rest my case!
gannon260

Con

pro:"Time is valuable. We all need some time to ourselves. School already takes up a lot of time and it is necessary to have time which does not involve concentrating on learning. Education is not the only important activity in everyone"s day; physical activity, play, and time with family are just as important as all teach life skills just in different ways. The internet makes it possible to be learning at home, there are even many computer games that help with learning. Homework clashes with these other activities. It can damage family relationships as it means parents have to try and make their children do their homework."

The thing is, homework is not mandatory, you don't have to do it as i have previously mentioned. You will not get arrested. If homework is truly such a threatening issue to you, then don't do it to avoid conflict. It's simple. Yes there are consequences, but if you are in such dire conditions from doing homework, why even do it then?

pro:"Homework does not only take up time doing the homework at home but also takes up time in class. First there is the time that the teacher takes when explaining the task. Then more time is taken going through the homework when it is done and marked. This time could be better spent engaging with the class to find out what they do and don"t understand. The answer to this is to have more time in class rather than boring homework."

pro:"homework to me, it"s just something that causes unnecessary stress and in the end doesn"t actually do much for you. Sure, some practice of graphing concepts is good, but why couldn"t we just do board work in class? I think that we, as students, should not have homework for a number of reasons."

Why couldn't you do it in class? Some teachers run out of time and homework is good for practice outside of class. My opponent pretty much conded that some practice is good, which means that homework is not actually futile. Also my opponent is contradicting him or herself. 1st, (s)he makes the point that homework is bad because your wasting time learning other concepts, then (s)he makes the point that they should've done the assignment in class. This makes absolutely no sense. Do we replace it with other education in that time or do we do it in class? i'm confused on the contradiction.


pro:"I agree in adequate quantities - however, in school, teacher push this to the limit and I certainly do not think 4-5 hours in an adequate stress level for a 15 year old boy. I rest my case!"

My partner has pretty much conceded that homework can be beneficial if in sufficent quantities. This flies into the face of his resolution which means is the homework is futile(pointless). Throughout this debate, my opponent has continued to tell us why homework is bad if there is sooo much homework that it consumes daily life. I completely agree with him/her that homework in overburdening quantities is not effective. I have proved the homework has some positive benefits and i have proved the stress in some quantity is good. My partner has not provided any evidence to which he can back his argument on as i see no links in any of his arguments (s)He has sited evidence but has no indication of where the internet link or research was done.

Vote con for reasonability. I know you may not like homework but it can be a necessary evil for education. I hate homework too, but i gladly do it to practice and learn.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by ArcherEON 2 years ago
ArcherEON
I agree with Adam. Homework is never beneficial and it is only ever for 'review' which only puts more stress on the Student and doesn't allow them to study themselves in the way that is most effective for them. If a Student cares about his grade he will study, but forcing everyone in a class to do homework or get a bad grade is only negative.
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