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This House will Ban homework

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Started: 7/14/2015 Category: Education
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brianjustin3709

Con

Hello
Today there are 4 rounds
1. Acceptance
2. Body
3. Body
4. Conclusion

The definition of this debate is...

Homework: work that a student is given to do at home
Ban: Decline

Please accept.
Brianpark1025

Pro

Hello. I will accept your debate.

I hope we learn from each other.
Forfeiting means that we lose the debate; I hope the voters keep this in mind.
Debate Round No. 1
brianjustin3709

Con

My team line is that...
Homework is PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT.

When kids do homework they are practicing what they have learned in school. Many kids do have extra curricular activities outside of school such as playing sports and playing an instrument which is good but that doesn't mean it should stop you from learning or becoming smarter. Most people that do play an instrument or play a sport know that if you want to be good at what you do you have to know one simple concept. PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT. If kids do homework they can PRACTICE what they learned in school and become more successful in Elementary School, Middle School, and High School which means that they get better grades which means that they go to a good collage which means that they can get a good job when they grow up. Although some kids are really good at their extra curricular activities they can go proffesional with that and can be successful when they grow up. But the problem is, how many of those super talented people are there? Not many, which means that most people end up having a bad job with a LOW PAY. Getting a good job is very dependent on homework and can lead most people to be more successful then they thought they could be if they do well in school.

Also Pro did not say their definition of the debate.
So Con should win this debate.
Good Luck.
Brianpark1025

Pro

Hello. In this round, I will debate to con s arguments and state mine.

REBUTTALS:
1. Con said that Practice makes perfect and doing homework makes you more successful and will allow you to go to a better college. But who knows that? Teachers give homework for the student's benefit, but many students don't try their best on it. Just because you do homework doesn't mean that you are a smart person. There are many students who try their best and do all their homework, and saying that doing homework automatically gets you into a good college is a generalization.
-Since Con had no more 'real' arguments, I'll continue on to my points.

ARGUMENTS:
1. Wastes time for more productive things.
2. Keeps them up late/ harms health (In next round)
3. Meaningless work that doesn't promote real learning (In next round)
4. Middle/Upper classes have better resources to teach child. (In Next round)

1. Wastes time for more productive things.
-From middle school and on, it is the norm for teachers to give more than 10 pages of homework. Majority of the students feel stressed about doing this because it takes too much time. Therefore, most students stay up after midnight in doing homework. Now, if homework was effective, nobody would say anything. However, homework is not work to check if the student can actually explain the material, but it is merely filling in blanks or calculating answers. Most students don't even actually try hard on it, they look back to the textbook, find the answer, and fill it in. CON side, do you think this is actually helping students go to a good college? Instead of wasting time, it is much more effective for children to spend time doing extra curricular activities or practice playing sports. By doing so, students will have more experience in many different subjects, which will make you have a happier life in the future.

Let's look at what a professional says about this...
http://neomam.com...

There Is No Homework In Finland!
March 4, 2013 by Marina Biljak 30 Comments
So, every single student these days is talking about it " there is no homework in Finland! I guess you are all already packing your bags. But, is having no homework really a smart thing? Well, according to this awesome infographic " it is!

High school graduation rate in Finland is at 93 percent, which is fantastic, especially when you compare it to 78 percent in Canada or even less (75 %) in United States of America. Finland also has the highest rate in Europe of students going to college (two of three).

They don"t have homework and they are so successful! How is that even possible? There are only twelve students on one teacher, so students get plenty of teacher interaction. They also don"t have much-standardized tests. For example, student in New York takes ten standardized test before he or she reaches high school and guys from Finland only have one standardized test at the age of 16.

Finland educational system sounds really awesome and other countries can learn from them!

Argument 2 will be in the next round
Debate Round No. 2
brianjustin3709

Con

Thanks for Brian Park 1025 to make his argument.

Rebuttals

First He said that You can do productive things if you don"t have homework. But What productive things? He could have explained what important/ productive things they can do. Also scientists conclude that if most people don"t have homework they will usually play at their homes. Also when you aid Finland is sucessful, However Singapore has homework and why are they so successful? The professionals say that Fifteen-year-old students in Singapore said they spent an average of 9.4 hours a week on homework, according to the results of a survey by the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD).
Sources: https://sg.news.yahoo.com...
Also when you said that they might look at the answers but they can"t because there isn"t even the answer key but if they can tell their parents, it makes them learn what they forgot in school

Team Line: Homework is Practice makes perfect

THIS HOUSE WOULD BAN HOMEWORK
Homework is a task (often called an assignment) set by teachers for students to do outside normal lessons " usually at home in the evening. Schools have been setting homework in developed countries for over a century, but until the past few decades usually only older students had to do it. More recently younger students have also been given homework by their primary or elementary schools. In England the government does not make schools give homework but it does set guidelines 1. Five year olds are expected to do an hour a week, increasing to three hours a week at 11 and ten hours or more a week at 16 2. American studies report the amount of homework being set for younger students doubling over the past twenty-five years or so, although some doubt these findings.
Countries, schools and subjects differ a lot on how much homework is set, and at what age, but almost all high school students have to do at least some most nights. Most children have never liked homework but from time to time it is also debated by politicians, parents and teachers. Sometimes there are demands for more homework, as part of a drive for "higher standards". At other times there are calls for less homework to be set, especially in primary/ elementary schools. This topic looks at whether homework should be banned altogether.
1BBC News, 2008
2BBC News, 2008

Homework encourages students to work more independently (by themselves)

POINT
Homework encourages students to work more independently, as they will have to at college and in their jobs. Everyone needs to develop responsibility and skills in personal organization, working to deadlines, being able to research, etc. If students are always "spoon-fed" topics at school they will never develop study skills and self-discipline for the future. A gradual increase in homework responsibilities over the years allows these skills to develop 1. For instance, to read a novel or complete a research project, there is simply no time at school to do it properly. Students have to act independently and be willing to read or write, knowing that if they struggle, they will have to work through the problem or the difficult words themselves. Diane Ravitch points out that a novel like Jane Eyre cannot be completed if it is not read at home " students have to work through it themselves 2.
1 Bempechat, 2004
2 Ravitch, 2007

Homework ensures that students practise what they are taught at school
POINT
Having homework also allows students to really fix in their heads work they have done in school. Doing tasks linked to recent lessons helps students strengthen their understanding and become more confident in using new knowledge and skills. For younger children this could be practising reading or multiplication tables. For older ones it might be writing up an experiment, revising for a test and reading in preparation for the next topic. Professor Cooper of Duke University, has found that there is evidence that in elementary school students do better on tests when they do short homework assignments related to the test 1. Students gain confidence from such practices, and that shows when they sit the tests.
1 Strauss, 2006

1BBC News, 2008
2BBC News, 2008
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POINTS FOR

Homework encourages students to work more independently (by themselves)

POINT
Having homework also allows students to really fix in their heads work they have done in school. Doing tasks linked to recent lessons helps students strengthen their understanding and become more confident in using new knowledge and skills. For younger children this could be practising reading or multiplication tables. For older ones it might be writing up an experiment, revising for a test and reading in preparation for the next topic. Professor Cooper of Duke University, has found that there is evidence that in elementary school students do better on tests when they do short homework assignments related to the test 1. Students gain confidence from such practices, and that shows when they sit the tests.
1 Strauss, 2006
Sources: http://idebate.org...

This House Believes that Homework Should be Banned
Questions to Ponder About:
1. What is the real purpose of our modern-day education system?
2. What constitutes a proper work-life balance?
3. Does homework still serve the same purpose as what it previously did - to reinforce academic content, the most crucial component of education (in the past)?
4. Does homework prepare one for real life?
5. What is the appropriate stress level that students are expected to withstand?

Definition of Key Terms:
1. Homework: rote learning, pen-and-paper academic assignments e.g. worksheets, mock test papers, online timed assignments etc.
2. Banned: should not be given to students at all - regardless of whether it is on a school day, weekend or holiday.

Clarifications:
1. Homework only refers to academic assignments for students and does not encompass Co-Curricular Activities, Community Involvement Projects or other miscellaneous activities assigned by the school.
(If not, the debate might boil down to whether students should have all their time to themselves outside school hours or not, which is not the controversy in this debate.)

2. In addition to homework, students are expected to have other areas of responsibilities, such as family / social life, Co-Curricular activities etc.
(This is where the controversy arises - does homework leave insufficient time for other aspects of an average student's life?)

3. Narrow scope of debate to countries with developed / compulsory education systems, such as Singapore, (the more advanced areas in) China, South Korea, Hong Kong, the UK, the US.
(Eliminates possibility of exploitation from opposing debate team.)

Onus: to do a cost-benefit analysis on the effects of homework.

Opposition:
1. Banning homework prevents students from learning time and stress management.
- The adult world encompasses many responsibilities, such as job and family commitments.
- Thus, the only way to learn to manage responsibilities well would be to start young, by giving people watered-down version of challenges that have to be completed. The best way to do so would be through homework because it is constantly evolving to stretch students' abilities a little more as they progress, teaches them discipline and self-motivation, and allows for guidance from teachers and parents.

2. Homework should not be banned because it accomplishes the important task of reinforcing academic content learnt in school, which forms the basis of many knowledge-intensive industries today.
- It is important to have a firm foundation of academic knowledge (such as in the biomedical, financial and engineering industries) which can be acquired through the rigorous practice inherent in homework.
- Helps students grasp the theoretical portions of a chosen field of study, such that real-world applications become more instinctive and easier to grasp.

3. Banning homework causes students to not have enough time to appreciate the beauty of academic education.
- In order to appreciate a facet of life, enough time and attention has to be given.
- This axiom applies to homework as well. Curriculum time is usually too short to allow students to delve into the intricacies of a subject, such that they cannot be intrigued and fascinated by it.

(Proposition could rebutt by arguing that an over-concentration of homework would make students instinctively dislike the subject, especially when they never liked it in the first place.)
Sources: http://the-debate-lab.blogspot.kr...
Brianpark1025

Pro

Thank you to Brianjustin3709 for his arguments. I'd first like to ask him some questions, such as why he put the definitions twice and why he repeated some of his arguments.

Now, I'd like to go on to my rebuttals to go against his points.
1. The previous speaker has said that homework encourages students to work independently. However, according to forums in debate.org and idebate.org, a small proportion of students actually complete their homework thoroughly. Most of them, instead, copy it from others (happens frequently) or they don't try hard on it (because they know the teacher doesn't check it seriously and because it takes up little or no percentage in the final grade.) Many parents are enthusiastic to send children to go to school to learn to be independent and develop learning skills. However, the previous speaker has said that only homework can develop responsibility and skills in personal organization, work to deadlines, be able to research, and etc. But isn't this the actual function of a school? If schools can't do this, we shouldn't have more homework, but try to fix schools and the school's syllabus so that they can learn to actually read novels such as Jane Eyre and learn study skills at school. There is no children happy about learning at school for 7~9 hours and come back home for 2 hours of more homework, when all the work can be done at school.

1a. http://idebate.org...
1b. http://www.debate.org...

2. The speaker has copied-pasted some questions which were
1. What is the real purpose of our modern-day education system?
2. What constitutes a proper work-life balance?
3. Does homework still serve the same purpose as what it previously did - to reinforce academic content, the most crucial component of education (in the past)?
4. Does homework prepare one for real life?
5. What is the appropriate stress level that students are expected to withstand?.

#But what is the point of say this, when the speaker did not even answer some questions, such as questions 2,3, 4, and 5. I ask the Pro to explain all of these points thorougly.

Like I have promised in my previous speech, I will conclude my three arguments right now.

ARG 2. Keeps them up late/ harms health.
They don't have time to just be kids anymore"they're so bogged down. And since many of the assignments are simply busywork, learning often becomes a chore rather than a positive, constructive experience. Homework overload is also affecting family life"a lot of kids can't even make it to dinner, and as a result, the only interaction they have with their parents involves arguments about homework.
-This anecdote/quote from http://www.parenting.com... shows that too much homework does not let students eat properly because of the large amount of time needed. Also, it shows that people who have too much homework tend to have lots of stress because of the large amount, affects family life.

ARG 3. Meaningless work that doesn't promote real learning:
Active learning encourages participation and hones problem-solving skills. Homework does not provide these kinds of opportunities and eliminates time for self-motivated play that could build intuition, imagination, or problem-solving skills. It also limits a child's time to explore his own interests, which could provide ground for career choices later. Teachers don't even have much time to check hw, reducing the homework to filling in the blanks or calculations, which don't promote real learning.

ARG4. Middle/Upper classes have better resources to teach child.

Extra points...
Link: http://www.newkidscenter.com...

Reduce social interaction:
Children who often have a lot of homework are restricted in the time that they have to interact with others. Social opportunities provide children with the chance to learn impulse control, conflict management, and other social skills. If they are not given enough opportunities for socialization, their overall development may suffer.

2. Affect Active Learning
Active learning encourages participation and hones problem-solving skills. Homework does not provide these kinds of opportunities and eliminates time for self-motivated play that could build intuition, imagination, or problem-solving skills. It also limits a child's time to explore his own interests, which could provide ground for career choices later.
3. Disturb Life Balance
Children who have too much homework will not be able to balance their life, which could impact their circadian rhythm. If excessive homework is given, it will cut into the downtime students need to relax or sleep, which will ultimately have an impact on their cognitive abilities during the day.
4. Become Underproductive
Researchers have found that there is very little correlation between the amount of homework and academic success. It is recommended that children have 10 minutes of homework for every grade level to get the best results. Anything above this level is considered excessive and could be counter-productive.

Thanks. By the way, the last round will be for final rebuttals and our conclusions.
Debate Round No. 3
brianjustin3709

Con

Thank you for Brianpark1025 for his arguments. First I will answer my rebuttals. First I said things twice because I wanted to make it stronger for the voters to really think what it is.
These were the things he copied and pasted.
  • First he said that Finland has 93% of rate. what rate? Please explain what other countries rates are and also explain.

Also researchers said that people people should reccomend 10 minutes of homework. He is supposed to say we should BAN homework but instead he said make homework time less, which does not support his side but our side because we have to say we need homework. And also, How do you know it is 10 minutes is always different to every kid. A kid might have 6 minutes or 40 minutes in the same amount of homework.

Also why do they sleep late? It is because of academies to follow what you are learning. So if you just participate in class and do your homework, you don't need to worry about being left out in the class.
  1. Also I wrote my reasons. Homework encourages students to work more independetly (by themselves)

Homework ensures that students praticse what they are taught at school.

In conclusion I think that Homework should not be banned because of 3 main reasons. My first reason is that Homework is basically PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT. My second reason is that Homework encourages them to work more independently. My third reason is that Homework ensures that students pratisce what they learned in school.

I have some questions.

  • what does "they're so bogged down. mean?
  • Also how do you now they will do productive things. They HAVE to do homework but some kids don't do other productive things.
  • In argument three you wrote Active learning encourages participation and hones problem-solving skills. What is hones?
  • You said Homework does not provide these kinds of opportunities and eliminates time for self-motivated play that could build intuition, imagination, or problem-solving skills. Many kids would rather finish their homework than doing other productive things.


Thank you






Brianpark1025

Pro

Thank you to BrianJustin3709.


First, I will do my final rebuttals, and then continue on to say why I won this debate.

He has asked me what rate is. However, I explained from my previous argument that the 93 percent rate in Finland was the percentage of people finishing high school.


Bogged down basically means you are stressed because of too much of something. For example, you have too much homework, which makes you feel fatigue and be stressed.

I belive that I won this debate because I correctly rebutted all of Pro's points. His points were weaker than mine as well.

VOTE FOR CON!!



Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by fire_wings 1 year ago
fire_wings
LOL, in the end he said vote for CON which is a concession.
Posted by brianjustin3709 2 years ago
brianjustin3709
Brianpark1025 thought he was going to beat me but he was in a tie. HAHAHA
Posted by brianjustin3709 2 years ago
brianjustin3709
I hope someone voted
Posted by brianjustin3709 2 years ago
brianjustin3709
someone should have voted
Posted by brianjustin3709 2 years ago
brianjustin3709
Aw, it is a tie
Posted by brianjustin3709 2 years ago
brianjustin3709
vote!
Posted by brianjustin3709 2 years ago
brianjustin3709
vote!
Posted by brianjustin3709 2 years ago
brianjustin3709
Brianpark1025 didn't write conclusion
Posted by brianjustin3709 2 years ago
brianjustin3709
this house will ban homework= brianjustin3709 to win!
Posted by brianjustin3709 2 years ago
brianjustin3709
win!
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