The Instigator
AlexanderOc
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The Contender
Cold-Mind
Con (against)
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This Resolution Is True

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Cold-Mind
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 6/19/2014 Category: Funny
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Debate Rounds (4)
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AlexanderOc

Pro

First Round Is Acceptance.
Cold-Mind

Con

Topic is resolution.
My opponent has BoP.
I accept the challenge.
Debate Round No. 1
AlexanderOc

Pro

Here is a single reason that will prove the resolution true.

P1. If the resolution is false, I will fall down
P2. I have not fallen down
C. The resolution is true


I have made an agreement with myself that were the resolution to be false, I will fall down. I have not fallen down, therefore the resolution has not been proven false. If it is not false then it must be true.

Cold-Mind

Con

What does my opponent mean by "fall down"? - Where? How?
How can we know you fell down?

Even if my opponent did fall down, it is possible that "myself" broke the agreement.
Agreement only says my opponent will fall down, but it never says when. It could be after 50 years as well. There is still plenty of time for him to fall down.
Debate Round No. 2
AlexanderOc

Pro

"What does my opponent mean by "fall down"? - Where? How?"

Fall down: drop from a higher elevation to a lower one.
I will fall down in my living room.
I will stand up then immediately lean forward to the point where my center of mass is in front of my feet. I will then proceed by means of gravity to tumble to the floor and end up lying belly down.

"How can we know you fell down?"
I will inform you in the comments.

"Even if my opponent did fall down, it is possible that "myself" broke the agreement."

I will not break the agreement. My word is to be taken as truth unless proven otherwise, similar to a witness in court.

"Agreement only says my opponent will fall down, but it never says when. It could be after 50 years as well. There is still plenty of time for him to fall down."

I will fall down 1 minute after being informed the resolution was proven false. There may be up to a 30 second margin for error.

The resolution continues to remain without falsification, as such I have not fallen. Therefore, the resolution remains true.

Cold-Mind

Con

I thank my opponent for making the clarification about falling down.

1) We presume innocence in court because constitution says so. That reason does not apply to debate. In debate we are not presuming, we require people to present arguments or evidence (which we call burden of proof).

2) It is true because because I said so, and I don't lie, which we know because I said so - is circular argument.

3) Resolution is false, therefore I will fall down is non-sequitur.
Debate Round No. 3
AlexanderOc

Pro

I appreciate Con taking his time to falsify my premises.

1) This argument was meant as a workaround for BoP.

P1.In the case of a false resolution, I will fall down
P2. I have not fallen down
C.The resolution is true

BoP in to prove an unfalsifiable resolution and as such, an unprovable one. To get around this I gave con 2 options with this argument.

1) In order to reject the conclusion he would need to falsify a premise, meaning he would have to falsify the resolution, which as you rember is unfalsifiable. The was meant to essentialy be a loop hole to give Con BoP.

2)He could ignore the argument, saying I have BoP. However in doing so, he has failed to deny a premmise and therefore the conslusion stands, meaning I win.

I must commend my opponent, he found a way to rebut this, and with that I have nothing left to argue.


Cold-Mind

Con

My opponent had a pretty good idea. I thank him for the great debate.
Debate Round No. 4
1 comment has been posted on this debate.
Posted by ShadowKingStudios 3 years ago
ShadowKingStudios
1.
a firm decision to do or not to do something.
"she kept her resolution not to see Anne any more"
synonyms:intention, resolve, decision, intent, aim, plan; More
commitment, pledge, promise
"her resolution not to smoke"
a formal expression of opinion or intention agreed on by a legislative body, committee, or other formal meeting, typically after taking a vote.
"the conference passed two resolutions"
synonyms:motion, proposal, proposition, resolve More
"the committee passed the resolution"
the quality of being determined or resolute.
"he handled the last French actions of the war with resolution"
synonyms:determination, purpose, purposefulness, resolve, resoluteness, single-mindedness, firmness, firmness of purpose; More
steadfastness, staunchness, perseverance, persistence, indefatigability, tenacity, tenaciousness, staying power, dedication, commitment;
stubbornness, doggedness, obstinacy, obduracy;
boldness, spiritedness, braveness, bravery, courage, pluck, grit, courageousness;
informalguts, spunk;
formalpertinacity
"she handled the work with resolution"
2.
the action of solving a problem, dispute, or contentious matter.
"the peaceful resolution of all disputes"
synonyms:solution to, answer to, end to, ending to, settlement of, conclusion to
"a satisfactory resolution of the problem"
Music
the passing of a discord into a concord during the course of changing harmony.
Medicine
the disappearance of inflammation, or of any other symptom or condition.
3.
Chemistry
the process of reducing or separating something into its components.
Physics
the replacing of a single force or other vector quantity by two or more jointly equivalent to it.
the conversion of something abstract into another form.
Prosody
the substitution of two short syllables for one long one.
4.
the smallest interval measurable by a scientific (especially optical) instrument; the resolving power.
the degree of detail visibl
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Reasons for voting decision: Refer to definition in Comment. Since Pro did not define "resolution" many interpretations are left to be determined. This confuses what "resolution" means in this context. Since most of the definitions of resolution I provided either do not fit the initial premise or do not fit the examples given by Pro, a clear declarative cannot be drawn for what is the intent of using resolution. Con used resolution once. And it was at the moment he could put a justifiable application behind resolution based on Con's conflicting use of resolution. Many people probably did not and will not catch that brilliant piece of superior insight Con used to completely destroy Pro's misapplication of resolution.
Vote Placed by 9spaceking 3 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: concession