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This house require people to work in return for welfare payments

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 10/22/2014 Category: Society
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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annachengws

Pro

Topic:
This house requires people to work in return for welfare payments.
I agree with this statement. What do you think?
lannan13

Con

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First round is acceptance and I know await for my opponent's opening arguments.
Debate Round No. 1
annachengws

Pro

Receiving welfare is not a long term solution. Only people who really have serious physical disabilities can be excepted. Even people with mental disabilities can work, for example, a factory worker, which is not highly- skilled. Welfare system is used to help people in finding jobs and support them in a short term aspect. They should find jobs as soon as possible so as to have an income and really solve their problems, such as the lack of money and jobless. Welfare payments which do not require people to work may encourage people to abuse the use of this system. It might make them feel in a way that even they do not have to work, they can still receive money. So what's the point to work. This leads to the increase laziness of people and they will be more unwilling to work as they can enjoy the welfare system freely. It will lead to declination of society, for example, economic and social as more and more people relies on a welfare payment that does not require people to work in return.
lannan13

Con

Contention 1: Workfare displaces jobs.

Many of the success that workfare claims to have is that it lead to the increase of people finding actual jobs as people leave the JSA (a workfare program in the UK), but we have seen that out of 1,400 DWP work expierence workers that left, only 250 found jobs, which give you only a 20% success rate while the others didn't find jobs and left workfare to leave it. (http://falseeconomy.org.uk...)

JSA survival rates graph
The Center for Economic and Social Inclusion did a survey in 2011, and found the fallowing conclusion:

This [graph] appears to show that the youth work experience scheme has had no additional impact on the speed at which young people leave benefit, and may have actually led to them spending longer on benefit than they would have done. However, these figures require some caution – the stated intent of the Department has been to target work experience at those with the biggest barriers to work, who would likely have had rates below the average for all claimants.” (http://falseeconomy.org.uk...)

Here we can see that spending time in workfare is actually counterproductive and harmful to actually use.

They have also found that there are countless failures in workfare. A total of $1.5 billion has been spent over the last 7 years on workfare and they have found that only 1/5 who enter and leave the workfare program end up actually finding a job above the poverty line. (http://kenanmalik.wordpress.com...)
Debate Round No. 2
annachengws

Pro

annachengws forfeited this round.
lannan13

Con

All points extended.
Debate Round No. 3
annachengws

Pro

annachengws forfeited this round.
lannan13

Con

All points extended.
Debate Round No. 4
annachengws

Pro

annachengws forfeited this round.
lannan13

Con

All points extended.

Thank you and please vote Con!
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by lannan13 2 years ago
lannan13
I agree that welfare needs to be reformed significantly, but workfare is not the answer.
Posted by cheyennebodie 2 years ago
cheyennebodie
If you stop all freeloaders from sucking off other people through government. All that money would stay in the private sector where it will be used to create wealth, not stifle it .That is the only way to reverse the trend of very few jobs.More government, less economy. Less government, more economy.
Posted by MyDinosaurHands 2 years ago
MyDinosaurHands
There's about 70 applicants per job right now in America. Which makes it hard to get the result you want from only giving welfare to people with a job.
Posted by cheyennebodie 2 years ago
cheyennebodie
How about stop all welfare. Then if they want to eat, they can work.And if they do not want to work to feed their children then take the children to someone that will work.All charity should be volunteer. Never forced. And if you notice that people ( politicians) who force others to pay other peoples bills always take the credit for it and brand themselves as compassionate.They are weazels in disguise. When the real peple paying for it are branded as greedy rich people.
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