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pheonixduprese
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patsox834
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This is a goofy debate- The Hue green is NOT green.

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Started: 12/31/2009 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Voting Period
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pheonixduprese

Pro

This is a goofy debate, and I bet that I will win.

The color (hue, whatever) green is NOT green.
patsox834

Con

Just in case...color: the quality of an object or substance with respect to light reflected by the object, usually determined visually by measurement of hue, saturation, and brightness of the reflected light; saturation or chroma; hue.

http://dictionary.reference.com...

Color is objective. When light reaches a certain wavelength interval and frequency interval, this is when colors change. The wavelength interval for green is ~560–490 nm, and the frequency interval is ~540–610 THz; anything that meets that specific criteria objectively constitutes "green." It just so happens that, uh, that the "hue," or "color" of green is...well, green, which means the criteria for "greenness" is met; therefore, green is green.

All one really needs to do is take a glance at the color wheel to realize that the hue green is...well, green.
Debate Round No. 1
pheonixduprese

Pro

I thank my apponent for their argument.

The color green is NOT green.
patsox834

Con

*Insert sh-t about how my argument "stands" here.*
Debate Round No. 2
pheonixduprese

Pro

Thank you.

The hue green is NOT green.
patsox834

Con

...uh....
Debate Round No. 3
pheonixduprese

Pro

Thank you. Just what I was waiting for.

The color green is NOT green.

More elaboration:

Who says the color green is green? why can't green be red, or blue, or why can't red be green? All there is is names. There is no scientific naming for the different light waves, just numbers. color technically does not exist. Light exists, and light bounces off of things giving the perception that there is a color, but technically there is no actual "color" there. Just the absence of light. So therefore, the color green is NOT green.

Comment les aimez-vous des pommes ?

Also, that brings different languages. In francais, the color green is NOT green. It is Vert.
In espanol,, the color green is NOT green. It is Verde.
In italiano, the color green is NOT green. It is also Verde.
In portugues, the color green is NOT green. It is, yet again, verde.
In deutsch, the color green is NOT green. It is grun.
In Hollanders, the color green is NOT green. It is groen.
In danske, the color green is NOT green. It is gron.
In islenska, the color green is NOT green. It is graen.
In finnish, the color green is NOT green. It is kokematon.
In русский, the color green is NOT green. It is зеленый.
Get my point?

Therefore, the color green is NOT green.
patsox834

Con

<"All there is is names.">

Not true. I've already shown how there's an objective criteria for the color, or hue, green, so yeah, it's more than a name; once the criteria is met, then you have green. Fact.

<"color technically does not exist. Light exists, and light bounces off of things giving the perception that there is a color, but technically there is no actual "color" there. Just the absence of light. So therefore, the color green is NOT green.">

Completely wrong...for many reasons.

Firstly, the absence of light is *not* color. The absence of light is black, which is technically the opposite of color (though it's entirely annoying to hear douches say that when I say black is my favorite color...) This is basic.

Secondly, you explain, in a very succinct way, how color comes about, but then say it doesn't exist by virtue of humans being able to perceive it? Huh? That makes no sense, since perception is a tool we use to help us *confirm* existence.

Thirdly, I've already went over how green is objective. When the criteria for "greenness" is met, then we have green. I've even explained (though not in an insane amount of detail) the science behind this. You haven't at all addressed it.

Fourth, if there's a perception of it, then, in one form or another, it exists. Color, as an abstraction, certainly exists. This includes green; therefore, green exists.

Fifth, whether or not green exists in reality is so hilariously irrelevant. The issue is whether or not green is green -- not whether or not green exists. The idea of green clearly does, as proven by this "debate," so you really have nothing here.

At least this is an attempt, but your last part really isn't, because no matter what language you use, it's still the same hue, which is what this debate is over -- if the hue green, is, indeed, green. Whether it's German, French, English, or f-cking Martian, the same hue is still being referred to, and still holds the same objective constituency; thus, making green...well, green, no matter the language. You cannot get past that.
Debate Round No. 4
pheonixduprese

Pro

pheonixduprese forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by pheonixduprese 7 years ago
pheonixduprese
Wow, I'm TIED. Amazing.
Posted by Nails 7 years ago
Nails
This is not a goofy debate. This is a stupid debate. Why did you bother to post this?
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro loses points for conduct for his semantic trick and his decision to change the resolution form 'the Hue green is NOT green' to more on the lines of 'green is not green in all languages' or 'green does not exist objectively in reality...' Unfortunately, as annoying as pheonix was, he lost the debate with this switch, and Con's damning rebuttal...
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