The Instigator
TruthGen
Pro (for)
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The Contender
Bastar67
Con (against)
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0 Points

This is false

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TruthGen
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 9/8/2014 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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TruthGen

Pro

Following my proposal in http://www.debate.org...

This is a debate meant to push the boundaries. It is an incredible mental exercise, i'm sure this will make us work in creativity.

A statement can be true or false, if "half-true" then it is false, especially one that is stated as something absolute/generic.

I say it's true that this is false, prove me wrong, prove that it IS false.
Bastar67

Con

This could be true if it was false and I will beat you anyway. This can't be false if it is false. It isn't false, if it is true which means I have won. And the word "This" isn't false because you have spelt it right and before we go too far what is the object or thing that is "This". But if "This" I can get this to be true and false at the same time I will win this debate.
Debate Round No. 1
TruthGen

Pro

How can something be true and false at the same time? That would make no sense at all. That's why boolean algebra has only a 1 (true) and a 0 (false). Something can't be double true, nor it can be half true. It simply is, true.
Bastar67

Con

Bastar67 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
TruthGen

Pro

This is a logical paradox that leads to vicious circularity. Let's step out of the box and look at our steps.

We say it's false, and thus becomes true,
making it false again, and thus becomes true,
making it false again, and thus becomes true,
making it false again, and thus becomes true,
making it false again, and thus becomes true...

We forget that logic is a tool to acquire knowledge, to get an answer to a question. It is not the truth itself.
Now the logical procedure makes us go on and on moving in a circle. Let's put this circle in a box. Is this true? Is this false?
It is a paradox. Can we get any value from this nonsense? Perhaps.

I have two possible answers:

Superposition of states (Just like in the Copenhagen interpretation of Quantum Mechanics)
Significant values in divergent mathematical series.

I would consider applying boolean algebra to the Grandi's series.

http://en.wikipedia.org...
Bastar67

Con

Bastar67 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by TruthGen 2 years ago
TruthGen
I want Con to defend the opposite position.
Posted by Terridax 2 years ago
Terridax
I realize that you're going for sort of a brain teaser here, but you say "I say that it is true that this is false" and then challenge your opponent to prove it's false... does that not put you both on the same side? Or are you saying you want your opponent to prove it's "false that this is false", and thus actually true?
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Vote Placed by lannan13 2 years ago
lannan13
TruthGenBastar67Tied
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Reasons for voting decision: Forfeiture
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Reasons for voting decision: Conduct for the forfeits. As to arguments: Pro argued in circles about a paradox. Con didn't really respond, but Pro, to me, failed to justify the statement as being sensical, in his circular discussion of its paradoxical nature. As always, happy to clarify this RFD.