This poem captures a frustration of old age
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"mind "craving- keeps it youth
the senses still are lured
flaccid flesh endures
only torments and frustrations must one endure"
1) flaccidity is a condition of some men
2) this poem is about flaccidity
proof read the poem
"blast this thing
dam this thing that no quiver of life
stirs its withered flesh
you useless mass of limpid limp flaccid flesh dangling there
The last clause, "which is not mentioned by old men" is not contained in the main topic but I accept that clarification.
I negate the resolution as clarified:
1.Plenty of old men "mention" flaccidity. They mention it to their lovers if they are flaccid. They mention it to their doctors when asking for ED medication. The author is mentioning it in a poem.
2.The frustration "captured" is not so much about flaccidity as the memory of what once was and what exists in old age. This is not about erectile dysfunction so much as it is the lure of youth and the "torment of aging flesh." These torments are myriad and, if you have been around older people, most are not shy about discussing their ailments.
3.The frustration is not "of old age."
The frustration is of several things but not of "old age." Alternate causes:
a.Immaturity " If you have an agile mind but your body is failing, you can choose to process the difference between mind and body as a frustration. However, this is a choice of the mind, not "of old age." If you have learned anything in 40-70 years it is that people only stop aging when they die. I can apply many adjectives to the state of mind described in the poem, but that state is not "of old age." The state of mind described " frustration " is an internal decision to not understand a basic fact of nature. The "frustration" described flows from the immaturity of the older person who having lived a long life, covets what he cannot have.
b.Greed " There are limited resources on the planet. Barring the Singularity, there comes a time to die. The decision to focus on the inability to get laid by nubile young things is both immature and greedy. Make way old fella. I certainly know my time is not all that far away.
c.Stupidity " The poem ends with "and we " that dreamed youth"s blade would never rust"" Sorry fella but that was kind of dumb of you. This attitude is not inherently of old age and nor is it a valid basis for frustration. It"s stupidity. Everyone gets old and, usually, it"s better than the alternative.
d. Failure to produce, earn and save. An older person with resources, particularly a male, can do quite well for himself sexually if that is what this poem is about.
e.Failure to live an intellectual life. The initial quote contemplates an old person with an agile mind. The choice to be frustrated about the decay of the body even though your mind is agile, shows a failure of imagination. A person who values getting laid so much over the joys of discovering new facts and other aspects of this life, is frustrated because he is shallow, not because he is old.
1)1."Plenty of old men "mention" flaccidity. They mention it to their lovers if they are flaccid. They mention it to their doctors when asking for ED medication. T".
mere assertion where is your proof
for cons point 2-3 all assertion where is your proof
all con does is give assertions
without proof he cant win this debate
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Vote Placed by lannan13 2 years ago
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