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Thor can beat Superman

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Started: 5/7/2015 Category: Entertainment
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I believe that Thor can beat Superman. I challenge anyone to prove otherwise.


I accept. Please make your opening argument. Also, please support your statements with a web address to site your sources.
Debate Round No. 1


First and foremost I would like to give the powers of each Hero, along with vulnerabilities.


Powers: Near Invulnerability, Flight, Superhuman Strength and Endurance, Superhuman Speed and Reflexes, Heat Vision, Superhuman Breath. These are the most well known abilities of Superman, and the ones most given to him in comic books by different writers.


Kryptonite: "Superman's most famous weakness, Kryptonite originated as radioactive fragments of the planet Krypton, created by fusion during the explosion that destroyed it. Superman's cells store electromagnetic radiation from the rays of a yellow sun, and converts it into energy, manifesting as his super-powers. When Superman is exposed to the most common variety, green Kryptonite (within roughly ten feet/three meters or less of any size or amount), its high-band radiation rapidly interferes with this process, causing severe physical pain and the loss of his powers (or at least a portion of them). Long enough exposure to green Kryptonite may eventually lead to death. Kryptonite radiation can be blocked by the use of lead."

Magic: "Superman's powers, as great as they might be, are the result of a biologically natural phenomenon, not a supernatural phenomenon. As a result, he is affected by most forms of sorcery in the same way as any mortal. In several stories, it has been shown that magical/mythical creatures, such as demons, vampires, werewolves and many others, are actually capable of injuring and wearing him down. Though it is also shown that no magic can directly destroy him (not, at least, unless it comes from a divine or semi-divine force), implying that at least a portion of his invulnerability is capable of protecting him, his magical enemies have often proven to be the most dangerous.

Massive Physical Forces: While Superman is extremely resilient to most physical harm, he is not quite completely invulnerable and is susceptible to temporary injury from physical forces usually delivered to him by some of his super-powered enemies (during a story where the JLA faced an insane J'onn J'onz, Superman admitted "I can count on one hand the beings I would genuinely be afraid to face. J'onn is top of that list."). Superman's ability to gain energy from sunlight may be counter-acted if he is badly beaten so quickly that his body doesn't have time to heal (as happened in his battle with Doomsday). In some spin-off media, he has been shown to be similarly vulnerable to electricity, a weakness exploited by nemeses Conduit and Live Wire.



Powers: Near Invulnerability, Superhuman Strength, Ability to Travel through Time, Can regenerate wounded portions of his body such as entire organs and limbs, Superhuman Stamina. Superhuman Speed, Reflexes, and Agility. Control over elements of the storm (Wind, Rain, Snow, and Lightning). Control over the Earth (Son of Gaea who is the Earth goddess). He is a superb hand to hand combatant.

Thor possesses two items which assist him in combat: the enchanted Belt of Strength, and his signature weapon, the mystical hammer Mjolnir. The first item doubles Thor's strength and endurance while the second is used to control his weather abilities; flight; energy projection and absorption; dimensional travel; matter manipulation and the most powerful of his offensives, the God Blast (which taps into Thor's life force), the Thermo-blast, and the Anti-Force (which counteracts another force). Using Mjolnir by throwing in the desired direction and then holding on to the handle's leather loop, Thor can fly at supersonic speeds in Earth's atmosphere and travel faster than light in space. When Thor has to transport companions and/or objects to a destination by himself, he has a chariot drawn by two huge mystical goats called Toothgnasher and Toothgrinder that can fly nearly anywhere he desires almost as easily as with Mjolnir. He can throw an object out of Earth's atmosphere using his strength, and throw his hammer to Asgard from which it will return.

Weaknesses: Certain types of Asgardian Magic, Massive Physical Forces (Like Superman).

So. Both contain the same basic abilities. Super Strength, Speed, Near Invulnerability, Reflexes, etc. However, both have the same weakness of Massive Physical forces. The problem here is that Superman has one major vulnerability that Thor doesn't, which is a weakness to Magic in general. Superman has been thrashed on by magical forces in the past, however none have been a god.

Superman has amazing speed, strength, flight and also has various long range and utility attacks at his disposal.

He also has a few known weaknesses. Everyone knows about Kryptonite which could even potentially kill Superman but you might not know about his other two lessor weaknesses. Magic and electricity have consistently been shown to be chinks in the Man of Steel's invulnerable armor. These weaknesses are not anywhere near as great as his allergy to Kyptonite but they do play a part.

Electricity does not specifically harm Superman as much as it tends to stun him and occasionally render him unconscious if hit hard enough. In every case where Superman has fallen victim to electricity he has shrugged it off eventually but initially it tends to stun him. For Superman getting hit by an entire nuclear power plants charge of electricity or a powerful lightning bolt is the same as you or I being hit by a high end Taser. It's enough to floor him and possibly knock him out but no lasting harm is done from it.

Superman is nigh indestructible (no wait that's The Tick) or at least nearly indestructible. He swat's away bullets like you or I might swat away fly's. He can stand in the middle of huge explosions with only scratches to show for it and he has taken punches from the most powerful beings in multiple universes. The thing is, if any of those things are powered by magic it hurts. Superman has always had an issue with magic. It is one thing that can make the difference between him laughing it off and holding his jaw in pain. It won't kill him but it really hurts. Divine or godly magic is just that much more potent.

To continue with godly magic, it has been shown that since magic is unpredictable and chaotic that it has been sufficient by itself to severely cripple Superman. Thor would be no exception.

From Marvel's official website they give this description of Thor: Officially Marvel rates his strength and speed at 7 out of 7 and his durability and energy projection at 6. His intelligence is rated at 2.

One of Thor's major strengths/weaknesses is Warriors' Madness: also known as the Sin Unpardonable. When engaged in battle Thor can become overwhelmed by bloodlust and battle fury. Although this can increase his strength and power by tenfold the consequences are often devastating. If he falls victim to this battle madness he risks loosing his mind and attacking friend or foe alike with little discretion.

Superman has been shown to have a similar battle fury, however it is nowhere near the level of Superman's.

The fight would be equal if it wasn't for Superman's weakness to magic. Which is his final undoing.

I eagerly await for Con's arguments.


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Debate Round No. 5
1 comment has been posted on this debate.
Posted by geauxpelicans5 1 year ago
I enjoyed pro's opening argument and think con will have to be very accurate to counteract such a well written argument by pro.
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