The Instigator
Cerebral_Narcissist
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rougeagent21
Con (against)
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4 Points

Those Convicted of Serious Offences should be used for Medicine

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 8/27/2009 Category: Politics
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Voting Period
Viewed: 2,828 times Debate No: 9349
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Cerebral_Narcissist

Pro

It is my position that those convicted of serious offences such as, murder, rape and terrorism have forfeited their human rights and may be used for medical research, experimentation and organ donors until death.

My argument rests on these points,
1: Rights carry obligations. By committing such heinous offences the criminal should forfeit all rights.
2: Murder, rape and terrorism are such terrible crimes that the criminal is unlikely ever to be 'rehabilitated' and should never be freed to endanger society.
3: Permanent incarceration is a drain on the resources of the State and it is amoral to expect the taxpayer to support such people. Whilst imprisoned there is always the chance that the prisoner may harm prison staff or escape back into society.
4: Simple execution fails to give anything back to society.
5: Medical testing on animals raises ethical concerns, people are more concerned with the well being of an average rabbit than they are of a rapist.
6: Medical testing on animals is of limited scientific value.
7: The testing of new drugs or procedures on patients or paid volunteers is unethical, why should normal members of society be used as guinea pigs when we have a surplus of unproductive and worthless criminals?
rougeagent21

Con

I have a very important question that must be answered in order for this debate to be argued properly, and to abate all confusion that will arise.

1-Are those convicted of a certain Nationality? Are they US citizens? You capitalize "State" but do not say which state you are referring to.

I look forward to your response.
Debate Round No. 1
Cerebral_Narcissist

Pro

It may have been better to have sent me a message or left a comment asking me that so as not to deprive you of a round of argument.

In the context of what I wrote the term 'State' refers to the concept of the State, as in the recognition of the political organisation of government and society. The argument is not prejudiced in any way as to a specific nation state, country or nationality.
rougeagent21

Con

rougeagent21 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
Cerebral_Narcissist

Pro

My opponent has effectively forfeited two of his three rounds and has yet to post any sort of counter-argument. I restate my original post and strongly urge for a pro vote.
rougeagent21

Con

I apologize for my poor performance. I have had a lot of company over. If my opponent agrees, I will happily debate him on this topic.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by rougeagent21 7 years ago
rougeagent21
By the way, I really don't deserve any points for this debate. I would like to see the RFD's of the people who voted for me.
Posted by rougeagent21 7 years ago
rougeagent21
I guess I scared him off.
Posted by rougeagent21 7 years ago
rougeagent21
I am open for a rematch anytime my opponent wishes to reinstate the topic.
Posted by Maikuru 7 years ago
Maikuru
Pro, I would suggest reissuing this debate. It's an interesting topic.

C, S/G, A: Pro
Posted by studentathletechristian8 7 years ago
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RFD:

B/A: Con/Con
Conduct: Pro. Con forfeited the debate.
S & G: Tied. Easy to follow.
CA: Pro. Pro was the only side that posted any.
Sources: Tied. None used.
Posted by ToastOfDestiny 7 years ago
ToastOfDestiny
RFD
B/A: Tied>Pro
C: Pro
S/G: Tied
CA: Pro
S: Tied
Posted by Cerebral_Narcissist 7 years ago
Cerebral_Narcissist
Are you people serious? He effectively forfeited every round? Come on be fair!
Posted by Cerebral_Narcissist 7 years ago
Cerebral_Narcissist
Okay rogue, I will be online again in about 12 hours, if you have not posted an argument in comments I'll consider the round totally forfeited.
Posted by Cerebral_Narcissist 7 years ago
Cerebral_Narcissist
Okay I love a bit of Israel bashing but that is not the case is it. Organs may have been removed from people killed by the IDF, which would include anyone from armed militants to children, but they are not killing to order are they?
Posted by brian_eggleston 7 years ago
brian_eggleston
This would be a mild proposal in Palestine where the Israeli army routinely murders Arab teenagers in order to harvest their organs for transplantation into Jewish patients.

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