Those who seek the truth should study the bible
Thank you for starting this debate, Turtlebro. Here are some reasons for those who seek for the truth to consider the Bible:
The Bible is congruent with our experience.
Consider the universal complex language of DNA within our cells, the extraordinarily complex structure of the human brain, and the navigational systems of birds and bats. All this exists side by side with injurious viruses, illness, and death. Our cells replicate faster than they die. Really, we should not have to die. And yet, eventually, that just stops and, “to dust we return”. Does this not seem like deterioration from hopeful beginnings? Well, this is what the Bible teaches. And it certainly fits with the facts. Also, consider Hebrews 3:4, "Of course, every house is constructed by someone, but the one who constructed all things is God." This simple logic is certainly congruent with our experience, is it not?
The Bible is internally consistent.
The first book of the Bible tells us how mankind’s problems began. The last book shows that the whole earth will become a paradise, or garden. All the harmonious material in the Bible covers thousands of years of history and has to do, in some way, with the unfolding of God’s purpose. This is extraordinary, when you consider the Bible was written in three different continents, three different languages, with over 40 writers, in a period of 1,610 years.
The Bible is in harmony with all of our established knowledge and confirms most of it.
Many have seeked for truth through the scientific method, and this method has certainly taught us plenty about God's creation. However, it is important to understand that it is limited by imperfect human observations. For example, science observes living things adapt to their environment and mutate occasionally, so it says all life has a common ancestor. The Bible does not deny the fact of evolution, but it says "God went on to make the animals of the earth according to their kinds". Science also observes the universe expanding, so it says Big Bang. The Bible also mentions the expansion of the universe many times, but it says “God stretches the heavens” (Job 9:8; Psalm 104:2; Isaiah 40:22; 42:5; 44:24; 45:12; 48:13; 51:13; Jeremiah 10:12; 51:15; and Zechariah 12:1). Who knows, maybe he did use an explosion. What we do know is that the Bible confirms this and many other scientific facts such as the water cycle (Ecclesiastes 1:6-7; 11:3; Job 26:8; Amos 9:6.), which were not fully understood until well over 1,000 years later.
These verses predicted the fall of Persia by Alexander Magnus, and that four of his generals would take his place after his death over 200 years before these things happened!
Some Bible principles cope with work habits, family life, and relationships with others. The Bible’s principles apply to all individuals, and its counsel is always beneficial. The wisdom found within the Bible is summarized by God’s words through the prophet Isaiah: “I, Jehovah, am your God, the One teaching you to benefit yourself.” (Isaiah 48:17).
The Bible is not merely a book that makes claims. It asserts to be the truth of God. This is something that can be tested, and that the Bible exhorts us to test. For these reasons, the Bible is worthy of consideration and should be studied by those who seek for the truth.
Also what about the things that the bible is wrong on such as saying the earth is flat, and also the sun revolves around the earth. Surely my opponent cannot be suggesting that our world is flat. Also the bible says that the earth is 5000 years old. Scientists have proven time and time again that the earth can scientifically not be only 5000 years old. Not to mention, logic flaws in the bible. If satan loves evil and controls hell, why does he punish evil doers? Shouldn't he reward them? I can not forget Noah's ark. Let's say hypothetically, Noah made the boat. Let's then say he got all animals onto it. Now explain to me how after a year of sailing the water drained away. That would mean that there was no plants on earth. They would have died from water overload. And sure, the bible does talk about how people's bodies rot after they die, but this could have been learned easily. The bible says that there is a garden of Eden on earth, but to this day no place like that has ever been found. As for your consistency argument why couldn't the first bible have been written and a writer sees it and then writes it in another language? Is that so hard for you to imagine? The bible does confirm something's but take the size of the bible. Could that not just have been, (not to be offensive) lucky guesses. I mean look above for examples of when the bible has been "not so right." For your history argument, could the bible have been written with time? More and more stories being added over time? Is there a specific date in the bible for when it was written? And also many of these success that are told from the bible some of them spring from common sense.
So after reading and writing this I am questioning many things. Could the bible not be written by God and just by humans over time? And also, what do I learn from reading the bible
Does the Bible say the Earth is flat?
No, it does not. Consider the circle on the horizon described in Job 26:10. The circle on the face of the waters is one of the proofs that the Greeks used for a spherical earth. And there it is, recorded in Job, ages before the Greeks discovered it. Job 26:10 also says that where light terminates, darkness begins, suggesting day and night on a spherical globe.
Does Satan torture evil doers in hell?
No, he does not. A place of eternal torture is not Biblical. This is not a place a God who IS love would send anyone (1 John 4:8). Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10 is one of many Bible verses that show how unbiblical a place of eternal torture is:
Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10 - “The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all . . . All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol,* the place to which you are going.”
If the dead are conscious of nothing, they obviously feel no pain.
Does the Bible say the Earth is 5,000 years old?
No, it does not. Understand that the Bible was not originally written in English. The Hebrew word we translate "day" did not always mean 24 hours. Rather, it simply meant a period of time. For example, in Genesis 2:4 Moses refers to all six creative days as one day. But in Genesis 1:5, the same Hebrew word for "day" is used to define only a portion of a 24-hour period.
Where did the floodwaters go?
That's a great question. According to Genesis 7:19, the Flood was so overwhelming that it that, "all the tall mountains that were under the whole heavens came to be covered". If the Flood covered all the tall mountains, where is all the water now? Apparently right here, on Earth. River channels extending far out under the oceans suggest a time when the oceans were smaller and the continents larger than they are now. Also, note that scientists have stated mountains in the past were much lower than in the present, and some have even been pushed up from under the seas. It is said that, "there is ten times as much water by volume in the ocean as there is land above sea level. Dump all this land evenly into the sea, and water would cover the entire earth, one and one-half miles deep.” (National Geographic, January 1945, p. 105). Thus, after the waters fell, but before the rising of mountains and lowering of seabeds and build up of polar ice caps, there was more than sufficient water to cover "all the tall mountains".
How did the plants survive the flood?
Another great question. Many seeds can survive long periods under salt water. Some seeds can attach themselves to animals, and might have survived the flood this way. Plants could have also survived as planned food stores in the Ark.
"As for your consistency argument why couldn't the first bible have been written and a writer sees it and then writes it in another language?"
I'm assuming you're asking if there was opportunity for collusion among the Bible wroters, and the answer is no. The Old Testament, written in Hebrew and Aramaic, writers were as diverse as king, prophet, herdsman, etc. And many of these did not live to see each other or their writings.
Is there a specific date in the bible for when it was written?
Yes, all the Bible books are dated and have evidence of authorship, which are evidence as well that the many specific fulfilled prophecies in the Bible were written before the event.
What do you learn from reading the Bible?
You learn why you exist, you learn about your creator and his purpose for the Earth and humanity, you learn why we suffer and die, and you learn what God will do so we can enjoy of what Adam and Eve lost, perfect happy eternal lives with our loved ones in a perfect paradise Earth.
Hopefully I've answered your questions. Let me know if you have more, and if you would like, afterwards we can study the Bible on email. :)
Also check out JW.org. It has helped millions learn what the Bible REALLY teaches.
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