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Nd2400
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Zeothazi
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Thucydides trap.

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Started: 8/24/2017 Category: Politics
Updated: 9 months ago Status: Debating Period
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Nd2400

Pro

Round 1 is to accept. I will be arguing, that we are entering a Thucydides trap, between The US and China. You will be arguing on why we not in a Thucydides trap.
Zeothazi

Con

We are not in a trap. The thing is China is a dominant power. It has risen. I actually think it is quite the opposite. The US and China rely on one another that conflict would not only be economic suicide. But also the loss of life would be too great. Oh yeah and nuclear weapons. Similar to the cold war.
Debate Round No. 1
Nd2400

Pro

Mankind been at war with each other since we existence. Over the last 500 years been very challenging for humans. Some experts think major wars runs in cycles, like in American history. The American Revolution, the Civil War, WW1 and WW2. A theory is a major war happens every 70 to 80 years. Base on this, we are right about there. According to " Graham Tillett Allison, is an American political scientist and professor at the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard", we are entering Thucydides trap. China is a rising superpower, as for the US they been a superpower already for over the last 200 hundreds years. In a Thucydides trap a rising power will challenge the dominance power, over trade, territorial areas, military, and economy.
China would be the US greatest threat or already is. Why because they are the second biggest economy in the world and the third largest military in the world. We already seeing major issues spearing up with both countries. Such as, the South China Sea with the island China made. Then President Trump trying to lay blame to China, for the North Korea crisis. Plus trump almost ready to lay down a trade war with China.

"U.S. goods and services trade with China totaled an estimated $648.2 billion in 2016. Exports were $169.3 billion; imports were $478.9 billion. The U.S. goods and services trade deficit with China was $309.6 billion in 2016. China is currently our largest goods trading partner with $578.6 billion in total (two way) goods trade during 2016. Goods exports totaled $115.8 billion; goods imports totaled $462.8 billion. The U.S. goods trade deficit with China was $347.0 billion in 2016". Just seeing this trade comparisons we are talking alot of money it's no wonder why The trade between the two countries is very important. Exports with "China was the United States' 3rd largest goods export market in 2016". Imports with "China was the United States' largest supplier of goods imports in 2016". So when Trump threatening a trade war with China, that doesn't sound good in terms of relations or the economy. August 14, 2017 "President Trump signed an executive memorandum Monday afternoon that will likely trigger an investigation into China"s alleged theft of U.S. intellectual property, a measure that could eventually result in a wide range of penalties as the administration seeks a new way to deal with what it calls Chinese violations of the rules of international trade. The theft of intellectual property by foreign countries costs our nation millions of jobs and billions and billions of dollars each and every year," Trump said, as he signed the memo surrounded by trade advisers and company executives. "For too long, this wealth has been drained from our country while Washington has done nothing... But Washington will turn a blind eye no longer." Once the US find evidence of alleged theft of U.S. intellectual property, Trump then will slap tariff on Chinese goods. China will then also slap tariff on the US goods. This will for sure have negatives affect on relations.
"China is using its island-building project to give teeth to its claim over almost the entire South China Sea and its islands and reefs". These island China have made is already having military on a possible conflicts. "Beijing intends to turn these artificial outposts into military footholds that will provide it with power projection capability right across the South China Sea.Each island has hangers for 24 fighter jets, as well as bombers and surveillance aircraft. Each island has hangers for 24 fighter jets, as well as bombers and surveillance aircraft. Anti-aircraft and antimissile systems can be seen on one of the artificial islands. Anti-aircraft and antimissile systems can be seen on one of the artificial islands. In a crisis, these facilities would significantly complicate US war plans and access to the South China Sea at acceptable levels of cost and risk. There"s also a more important day-to-day implication: these new military outposts allow China to dramatically extend its strategic reach from its southern shores down to Indonesian waters, creating a new strategic status quo and a Chinese sphere of influence. Beijing, in other words, is seeking to become the dominant military power in this part of the world with a capacity to prevent, deny or veto other countries from accessing these waters." China is already trying to challenge the US in the pacific.
"It was the rise of Athens, and the fear that this instilled in Sparta, that made war inevitable." They been 16 cases of this happening in the last 500 years. 12 of them when to war. US and China can still avoid this, but the way Trump is pushing though the China trade, and the way China is making sure they can controlled the South China Sea and the way the the landscape is the way they are we are in a Thucydides trap.

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The reason i give you this 1st argument fast, was because the other debater i was going up against bail on me. So i repose this so i can hopefully have a real debate.
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Posted by Nd2400 9 months ago
Nd2400
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