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wardle2j
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mayahcw
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To what extent has Gender Inequality in women's football improved? Has it at all?

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Started: 10/22/2015 Category: Sports
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wardle2j

Con

There is obviously gender inequality in sport, like football for example. But, has it improved? Can it get better? There are people with views that women should not participate in a 'men's dominant, testosterone fueled sport' and they like to share their views. It has gotten better, since in Victorian times women did not participate in much sport at all. But why is there such a difference? Women get paid way less then Men footballers, their prize money is a lot difference yet they are doing the same job.

It has obviously improved, but, it can still improve. However, there is still a stigma attached to women's football, saying its not as good. But, actually, it is as good. The Womens England team lost in the semi finals of the World cup 2015. The Men's England team didn't even make it to the semi final, they didn't even get passed group stages. So, arguing that its not as good is completely incorrect, they are just as good.

Also, as a female match official my self there is a stigma between women referee's. There are only 2 match officials that I know of who have refereed to a high level; Wendy Toms and Sian Massey. But why? Apparently they aren't good enough because we are female?

How has it improved at all? If women are still get stigmatized, still getting sexual comments thrown at them for doing the job just as well as men? They can participate yes, but the views have not changed.
mayahcw

Pro

For this argument, I will assume you are referring to football as played with a spherical ball that utilizes the human feet to move from one end of the field to the other in order to score goals. I will use the word 'soccer' at times, but will be referring to the same sport.

Is there really an inequality in football? And if so, is it because of gender? Obviously, there is a difference in the popularity of women's football and men's football. Male players do, on average make more money than female players do[1]. But this is because on average, more people regularly watch men's soccer than they do women's soccer. The most recent 2014 Men's World Cup garnered far more views than most of the Women's World Cup games do (on a world-wide level). More men watch soccer than women do. Most of these men are watching men's soccer. Is it surprising then, that men's soccer players make more money? We cannot assume that this is because of gender inequality.

The fact that the women's England team made it to the semi finals is hardly any proof that female soccer players are "just as good". If the men's English team had tougher opponents than the women's team did, it's hard to compare the two. Now please, do not think I am hinting that women are inferior to men when it comes to sports. But men have been playing soccer on a professional stance longer than women have. It's going to take time for women to gain a strong foothold in the soccer world, but they are certainly getting there. Women's soccer is becoming much more recognized.

"They can participate yes, but the views have not changed." - Quote from my opponent's previous argument.

In the first few decades of women's soccer in the 20th century, women's games were restricted to gym classes, and a few college games. Now, in the 21st century, women play on soccer teams in the regional, national, and world wide levels. If the views of females in sports were still the same from when soccer first came into play for women, the Women's World Cup would not even exist.

As for the sexual comments, men often receive a good amount of sexually charged comments from female onlookers. Many female watchers will admit to watching men's soccer because

[1] http://www.businessinsider.com...
Debate Round No. 1
wardle2j

Con

wardle2j forfeited this round.
mayahcw

Pro

Is Con still debating?

Gender inequality has changed substantially since soccer was established. In some countries, women were not even allowed to take part in the sport. Now, women take part as well as play on international television. If the views of femle athletes had not changed, this would not be so. The women's world cup gathered quite the large number of viewers. This is a very large improvement as to what it was when soccer first started[1]. Even though men's sports are watched more than women's sports around the world (on average), women really are begining to take a hold when it comes to football (soccer).

[1] http://www.foxsports.com...
Debate Round No. 2
wardle2j

Con

First of all, sorry for the delay in the debate and round forfeit, I was unable to reply in time.

You state in you first argument that it is down to views and popularity, but why is there such a difference if it is not down to gender? Women's football is perceived as weak and you say that women's football has hardly any proof based of being just as good based on their performance and results, but if that is not proof that they are just as good, what else are you basing it on?

Referring to you're comment: "As for the sexual comments, men often receive a good amount of sexually charged comments from female onlookers. Many female watchers will admit to watching men's soccer..."

This is not as to the extreme sexual comments that women receive and not to the same sexist comments they can receive, for example [1] there have been incidents with Chelsea female doctor receiving sexist comments while doing her job and also as a personal experience I have received sexist comments within my role as a football referee, telling me to "Go back to the kitchen". If this is not because of my gender? Then what is it? Men do not receive these types of comments, the sexist comments and then try and put it off as 'banter'.

[1] http://www.bbc.co.uk...
mayahcw

Pro

First off, I did not say that women's football has no proof based on performance. I am not claiming that men play better or are better at the sport. I only stated their [women's teams] winnings as insufficient proof. Unless the women's teams play the exact teams that the men play, we cannot really line them up next to each other and judge who's game was tougher.

Also, thank you for clearing up what you meant about the sexual comments. However, this still does not prove to us that the views of women in football have not changed. A handful of pent up men that make some rash, unnecessary comments about women do not prove that the views haven't changed at all. I think the sheer fact that women have their own world cup is proof enough! Consider the civil rights movement. Even today, there are still those people out there who are mean, rude, and racist towards African Americans. But does that mean that the views haven't changed just because some people made some rude comments? Before the Civil Rights movement really got going, things were really bad for Black People. But even today we still have racist people. Does that mean racial inequality has not changed at all? Years and years ago, things were much worse for women who wanted to play football. In many countries, they didn't even have teams to play on, much less an international competition such as the Women's World Cup! On a global scale, women are much more accepted in sports nowadays than they were before. It isn't perfect, and there are still some sexist people out there, just like there always will be. But is has definitely gotten better.

Also, men's football usually gets more views than women's football because more men watch football than women do! Men want to watch men play, just like a woman would want to watch a woman play. It isn't necessarily because men view women as inferior in football. Now, this is sometimes the case, but it is a lot less than it used to be.

Remember, the debate is not whether football is 100% fair. It is not about whether or not some men are sexist towards women's football. The debate is whether or not the views have changed, which I am certain that they have.

Thank you.
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