The Instigator
Trevarno
Pro (for)
Losing
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The Contender
Center_for_Rationality
Con (against)
Winning
20 Points

To what extent is determinism and morality compatible?

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Center_for_Rationality
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 1/6/2013 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 4 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 1,176 times Debate No: 28947
Debate Rounds (5)
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Trevarno

Pro

I need to Understand these arguments for my philosophy class.
I am a determinist so I will be arguing for the compatibility of determinism and morality...
Morality and determinism are compatible... Prove me wrong.
Center_for_Rationality

Con

I do not know my opponent wishes me to prove him/her wrong this round but I will just in case if not it was just a lack of clarity on the rules.

Determinism is the thesis that all actions are predetermined. Now if all actions are predetermined than I have no choice when I do something, I cannot truly make a decision because what I am going to do is already predetermined by many different factors. When it comes to morality, it determinism is true morality cannot be because we cannot say that anyone had a choice in what they did. If I rob a bank than I had no choice so how can you punish me? In fact how can anything be truly rational? In order for a thought to be rational their must be some element of choice. If human beings cannot be rational and are free than morality cannot truly exist because Morality entails that someone should do something but nobody can choose to do anything! Therefore, if determinism is true morality fails because they are incompatible with each other. Vote Con.
Debate Round No. 1
Trevarno

Pro

Trevarno forfeited this round.
Center_for_Rationality

Con

Extend all arguments, lol I should add read the comments. I am really restricted in character allowance. Vote Con please. In hoc signo taurus vinces
Debate Round No. 2
Trevarno

Pro

I give up you win...
Center_for_Rationality

Con

Thank you :)
Just try to say Vote Con as fast as possible please since its a 5 round debate if you don't it could take days.
Debate Round No. 3
Trevarno

Pro

Trevarno forfeited this round.
Center_for_Rationality

Con

She gave up lol vote con
Debate Round No. 4
Trevarno

Pro

Trevarno forfeited this round.
Center_for_Rationality

Con

Vote for me please :)
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by likespeace 4 years ago
likespeace
Pro did not seem to fully grasp nor defend their position and conceeds.

As Fischer has it, an agent with regulative control can, so to speak, regulate between different alternatives. An agent with guidance control guides or brings about her conduct even if she has no other alternatives to the course she takes. As Fischer points out, an agent could possess both guidance and regulative control, but the two can come apart. On a view like Fischer's or Frankfurt's, it is only guidance control that is necessary for moral responsibility."

--- "Compatibilism" from the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy
Posted by Center_for_Rationality 4 years ago
Center_for_Rationality
TO VOTERS:
The debate has 1000 characters allowed for the record. My argument is much longer but didn't fit.
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Vote Placed by DoctorDeku 4 years ago
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Vote Placed by 1Devilsadvocate 4 years ago
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Vote Placed by likespeace 4 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: See my RFD in the comments section.
Vote Placed by famer 4 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: PRO gave up and handed the win to CON