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Multi-Wargasm
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Traditional and eclectic martial arts are more effective than "self defence" fighting systems

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 12/3/2013 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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rob753

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I believe that traditional and eclectic martial arts such as Hapkido, taijutsu or ninjutsu are more effective than the "self defence" brand of fighting such as Krav Maga. First major reason, is that these self defence arts are only defensive. That cuts a lot of what could be done in half, they lack the discipline and the idea of a traditional or an eclectic martial art, which is both defensive and offensive, it already has what the self defense art does plus more. The defence art was designed to get you out of trouble, but usually against a standard attack, but not all attacks are standard, maybe your attacker has trained in a martial art, and can fight back, these self defence arts don't teach a combat scenario, they only teach you to put your attacker down then get out of there. Yes I'm
Being a bit broad, I know there are techniques that teach breaking of bones and injury causing techniques but majority it's ground them then get out of there. If they go for a technique then get interrupted, they sent prepared or trained for that. Whereas a traditional martial art or an eclectic one has both offensive and defensive, if someone counters their defence then they can counter that. Eclectic and traditional martial arts teach a full curriculum, they allow you to use techniques that suit you and to vary the techniques to your fighting style. They are designed for battle, a lot if the traditional ones were used on the battlefield, to neutralise your opponent soon as possible, be it by breaking an arm or wrist, or killing them. Yet they also teach restraint, as you don't over use force and get arrested, it allows you to defend yourself in a complete matter, not just defence, or offence, but a perfect balance of both.

Self defence arts are effective, just have a lot of gaps. For example a lot of fights, end up on the ground, but martial arts like Krav Maga don't teach that. I can see why, if you're on the ground fighting one guy there's a chance 8 of his friends are gonna kick your head in. But not teaching it means if your trapped on the ground you don't have the skills to get out of that situation. We all know that in the street you never go to the ground, but if they take you to the ground, traditional and eclectic martial arts at least give you the skills to survive in all situations.

Sources:
Way of the ninja by kaylan soto
http://www.kmdi.com.au...
http://www.sydney-selfdefence.com.au...
http://en.m.wikipedia.org...
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Multi-Wargasm

Con

No doubt traditional and eclectic martial arts are more effective in certain practice, whether they be fighting multiple attackers, going to ground, or fighting a fellow martial artist. However, one cannot simply use this as the basis of their argument, as it discounts the wider context of what make "self-defense" fighting systems applicable and viable. For instance, Krav Maga was invented by the Israeli special forces and in this context, it assumes that combatants have military gear on and may or may not be armed with knives or guns. Its ultimate situational application is therefore restricted to special operations, whether they be hostage situations or urban warfare and where traditional and eclectic martial arts would risk a head full of lead. In this context, it becomes apparent that discipline is subsidiary to the more pressing concerns of not getting shot and basic, drilled muscle reflexes are a more viable and cost effective alternative to learning the ancient wonders of Tai Chi.
What this, therefore, suggests of the motion, that traditional and eclectic martial arts are more effective than "self defense" fighting systems, is that it is a brutal generalisation that completely disregards contextual applications of fighting systems, to simply settle the argument of who would win in a fight between Mr. Miagi and Zohan.
Debate Round No. 1
rob753

Pro

Im not saying, Krav vs Kung fu or something like that, I'm saying that Krav Maga leaves a lot of situations untouched. Also there are many special forces around the world that use traditional martial arts, such as Silat, muay boran and even Kung fu. And most special forces train in eclectic martial arts, like Hapkido (Korean special forces ) and of course the marine core martial arts program. Say you are in the street and your trained in boxing, if someone throws a kick to your legs you aren't trained for it and it's likely to connect, same Principle with Krav Maga but on a more complicated level. Such as, if 3 people attack you and one has a knife, you're trained and you know what to do, but say one tackles you to the ground and has some ground fighting experience, you can't do much. That's where traditional Martial arts take a holds, they train for everything, most are battlefield arts, designed to fight in the midst of all kinds of enemies, pankration itself fought off the collective armies of Persia.
Multi-Wargasm

Con

Multi-Wargasm forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
rob753

Pro

Okay, well to further back up my story I'd like to put forth a legend, of a roman soldier thrown into the gladiator pit, killed many, simply because gladiators were trained for combat that's pure aggression, the soldier had trained in Both aggressive and defensive. Same Principle for martial arts, if you're all defensive, then what happens when you need to act first. Pin a man where he is at his weakest and you have him, turn his greyest strength into a weakness. Feign an attack and then attack their opening, self defence arts are only designed to fight untrained people, but not everyone you fight will be untrained
Multi-Wargasm

Con

I can see no logical point I can push in order to win this. I forfeit.
Debate Round No. 3
rob753

Pro

Okay then
Debate Round No. 4
rob753

Pro

rob753 forfeited this round.
Multi-Wargasm

Con

Multi-Wargasm forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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