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diety
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The Contender
Xer
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Winning
16 Points

Transformers: Revenge of the fallen wasn't as good as the original

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 6/29/2009 Category: Entertainment
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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diety

Pro

I just saw the new transformers movie. For me it was a great disappointment, as they have completely ruined the transformers series.
Xer

Con

I thank my opponent for the oppurtunity to debate, and wish him good luck.

Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen
http://en.wikipedia.org...

Transformers: Original
http://en.wikipedia.org...

I have to prove that the Revenge of the Fallen (RotF) was better than the Original to win.

1) The special effects/ graphics are much better in RotF.
2) The Original was animated, which was boring.
3) The cast is much better in RotF.
4) RotF is PG13, while the Original is PG. PG13 allows for much more action, violence, and sexuality.
5) RotF has Megan Fox, one of the sexiest woman on Earth according to Maxim... and many men.
6) Michael Bay is the director of RotF, widely considered to be one of the best directors of big-budget action films.
6) Steven Spielberg is the executive producer of RotF, widely considered to be the best ever.
7) RotF took in $108.9 million in the first weekend, the Original took in $5 million in the opening weekend.
8) RotF is available in IMAX, the Original is not.
9) RotF has a video game, the Original does not.
10) RotF is going to have a sequel, the Original did not.

I look forward to my opponent's rebuttal.
Debate Round No. 1
diety

Pro

Thank you nags for accepting this debate.

First of all, let me clarify a bit as the resolution may have been unclear.

Transformers : Revenge of the fallen is a sequel to the 2007 transformers movie, which is what I was referring to.

http://en.wikipedia.org...(film)

Before I move on I will counter your arguments.

1) About the same.
2) Live action and CGI like ROTF.
3) Same cast (actually better because it had anthony anderson , jon voight, bernie mac, frenzy, blackout, barricade, bonecrusher, and jazz)
4) Both PG-13.
5) Megan Fox here too :)
6) Same here.
7) That was because of the original, and the original has made over $700 million.
8) Same here.
9) Same here.
10) ROTF is the originals sequel, and it was terrible.

Now for my arguments

1. Storyline

ROTF was a completely made up terrible storyline. First of all, Megatron apparently isn't the leader of the decipticons as this new 'the fallen' guy comes along. Wow, the title had me thinking for a moment that 'the fallen' was referring to the defeated decipticons, but to actually have a guy come out of nowhere and that is his actual name is rediculous. Also, this guy keeps trying to take over our sun. Why? Why not move to another star? So all along if this guy knew where earth was then earth wasn't unknown. Then why didn't the decipticons take advantage and already conquer it? What the hell did they need the cube for if all they needed was energon? This story made practically no sense.

2. Disrespect to fan base.

We all know that although transformers has been around since the '80's and a lot of the fans are big boys now, there's still a great deal of children that are new to the transformers experience. You wonder then, was all the language, rounchiness, and rude remarks really necessary? I mean who the hell do you think are playing with these action figures? Promiscuous college students who swear all the time? No, little kids, who don't need to be exposed to all of that. Now I'm not saying that I'm against a little bit of language, rounchiness, or dirty cracks; I actually prefer a bit of spice. However, too much burns your tongue and ruins the experience. This movie had instances of every cuss word except for 'f-unny d-uck'. It had that completely weird and uncalled for human/female/whore/transformer, and it had jokes I found racist and offensive (those two ignorant twins who where mocking black people, talking about how they didn't read). Rediculous.

3. Reviews

Rotten tomatoes said that the original got 57% of favorable reviews while ROTF got 21%. Roger ebert gave the original 3 stars while he gave the sequel only 1 star. On the 'at the movies' show both critics said "See it" to the original transformers, and "Skip it" to its sequel.

That ought to be enough said. This move p-oorly m-issed me off.

:(

Vote pro, thank you.
Xer

Con

The 2007 Transformers movie was not the original. The 1986 Transformers movie was the original.

original - preceding all others in time or being as first made or performed

The debate is about the 1986 movie vs the 2009 movie, not the 2007 movie vs the 2009 movie.

Although, I do agree with you on the matter that the RotF was not as good as the 2007 movie.
Debate Round No. 2
diety

Pro

diety forfeited this round.
Xer

Con

Arguments extended.
Debate Round No. 3
diety

Pro

diety forfeited this round.
Xer

Con

All arguments extended.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Kefka 7 years ago
Kefka
character symbolism* I fail at life.
Posted by Kefka 7 years ago
Kefka
I think people should stop looking towards "movie critics" for advice on movies. They gave Watchmen horrible reviews because their pretentious eyes couldn't see character symbolization. ROTF was awesome. Ya, the plot wasn't exactly well put together, but hey, what do you expect from Bay. It's an enjoyable movie. Plus, Soundwave was in there, and that's +2 points. Megan Fox is hot, +1 point. Start judging things wisely and by their intention. It wasn't intended to be deep or meaningful.

And, Slumdog Millionaire won "Best Picture" last year. I lose respect for any "critics".
Posted by Logical-Master 7 years ago
Logical-Master
No, Revenge of the Fallen was about as good as the original. Both being sh*tfest as far as plot/characters go, though the special effects were pretty good. And I'm surprised you don't think the first one ruined the transformers series considering the humans got a vast majority of the screen time. In the source material, it was all about the transformers, with humans having a little bit of relevance from time to time.
Posted by Aric 7 years ago
Aric
The below.
Posted by Rezzealaux 7 years ago
Rezzealaux
Megan Fox.
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