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Transgender bathrooms

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Started: 12/25/2016 Category: People
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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livilivster

Pro

There is a lot of drama over whether or not transgender people should be allowed to use the bathroom of their choice. I believe they should; they would otherwise feel uncomfortable. Even though many people fear the safety of others, if someone has truly changed their gender, why should you make an assumption of them being unsafe?
Beginner

Con

So if I'm reading your argument correctly, you think the transgendered should have be able to decide which bathroom they go to because to not allow them to do so would make them feel uncomfortable.

Think however, in another line of thought. If a transgendered person feels uncomfortable being in the bathroom with people who they view as being of the opposite sex, then wouldn't you expect a non-transgendered person to feel the same? Whose preference do we prioritize and why?
Debate Round No. 1
livilivster

Pro

We should not consider ourselves as prioritizing transgender people's needs over ours. If a former "he" is now a she, then what point is there to make a point of the fact that they changed their gender. Something as small as using the restroom shouldn't be an issue. If someone "looks" trans, that doesn't necessarily mean they are; who's going to ask them?
Beginner

Con

That is assuming all transgender people manage to look exactly like what they want to become. No true. This does not look like a woman to me:


In the same way that a transgender person would be uncomfortable being in a bathroom of people opposite to the gender they identify with, a cis-gender person would also be uncomfortable with being in a bathroom with a person who is clearly of the opposite gender. No double standards. What's to stop a cis-person from faking transgenderism? Unsafe. I negate.
Debate Round No. 2
livilivster

Pro

I agree with you on the fact that some people may pretend to be transgender, but this is why the issue shouldn't have been an issue in the first place. If no one saw an issue of transgender people using the bathroom of their preference, this wouldn't put any ideas in other people's heads. At the end of the day, whether a transgender woman chooses to use the women's bathroom isn't any of our business. It becomes someone's business if it is specifically hurting them. I rest my case.
Beginner

Con

From round1: "I believe they should; they would otherwise feel uncomfortable."

We return to the large gaping hole of there being a double standard in your reasoning that you do not really address. This is conceded.

And you don't explain very well what not making an issue of allowing the transgendered community a choice in bathrooms has to do with anything. Not put ideas in people's heads? What ideas?

The fact remains that peeps can fake and be creeps.

Alternative: Support mixed bathrooms.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by whiteflame 1 year ago
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4 points to Con (Conduct, Arguments). Reasons for voting decision: Con made more convincing arguments overall. Spelling and grammar was about the same.

[*Reason for removal*] (1) The voter doesn"t explain conduct. (2) Arguments are insufficiently explained. The voter is required to specifically assess arguments made by both debaters. Merely restating the decision is not an explanation.
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