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Transgenderism: Should we all support people with delusions?

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Started: 12/9/2017 Category: Society
Updated: 7 months ago Status: Post Voting Period
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TheNeatFreak

Con

Transgenderism is based on a mental is called gender dysphoria or gender identity disorder. Why are we allowing people with delusions of being a sex/gender that they are not. For me its a straight forward question, no. Compare it to a schizophrenic who is asking is that radio talking to me. Is replying yes going to help, no just send them to a psychologist. Another question, would you date Caitlyn Jenner. If not you realize its a women with a person.
tenyearsoflight

Pro

The resolution reads: "Transgenderism: Should we all support people with delusions?" BOP is shared because this is about opinions not facts.

1. Society should support the transgendered.

TL;DR As a society, we should support the marginalized, disenfranchised, and suffering. Transgendered people are marginalized, disenfranchised, and suffer disproportionately relative to the general population. Therefore we, as a society, should support them.

a. Transgendered people face great stigmatization, experience higher suicide rates, and generally experience more mental health problems than the general population.

Psychology Today makes clear that: "While approximately 6.7 percent of the general United States population suffers from depression and 18 percent grapple with some iteration of an anxiety disorder, nearly half of all individuals who identify as transgender experience these issues. What's more, over 41 percent of trans men and women are estimated to have attempted suicide " a rate that's nearly nine times as high as the rate of cisgender Americans. " (https://www.psychologytoday.com...)

The obvious cause of these problems is NOT something inherent to being transgendered, but rather it is the result of the social stigma associated with being transgedered. (http://www.thelancet.com...(16)30165-1/fulltext)

b. Transgendered people should be supported because they are marginalized, disenfranchised, and suffering.

Transgender people face unique challenges throughout their entire lives. To illustrate, NYC Psychotherapist Ami B. Kaplan, LCSW charted the basic problems throughout at all stages of life:

She wrote that "there can be isolation, hiding and secrets, which can lead to depression and anxiety. Transgender adults are much more likely to have suicidal thoughts, with 50% of adults reporting some suicidal ideation. There seem to be two paths that people take early on: either one tries to hide their inner feeling of being the wrong sex and "passes" for what looks like a boy or girl, or one is incapable of hiding and presents as either a tom-boyish girl or a feminine boy. Either path is fraught with problems for one"s emotional development. The second scenario " of presenting as gender non-conforming is known to elicit harsh responses from society. This is true for non-transgender people as well and many gay men and women experience this early on." (https://tgmentalhealth.com...)

Moreover, as the American Psychological Association provided in its March 2016 report on the impact of discrimination, "for many adults, dealing with discrimination results in a state of heightened vigilance and changes in behavior, which in itself can trigger stress responses"that is, even the anticipation of discrimination is sufficient to cause people to become stressed." (https://www.psychologytoday.com...)

Support truly makes a difference, too. A study by the American Academy of Pediatrics found that "socially transitioned transgender children who are supported in their gender identity have developmentally normative levels of depression and only minimal elevations in anxiety, suggesting that psychopathology is not inevitable within this group. Especially striking is the comparison with reports of children with GID; socially transitioned transgender children have notably lower rates of internalizing psychopathology than previously reported among children with GID living as their natal sex." (http://pediatrics.aappublications.org...)

2. CON's case fails in all respects.

a. Con claims without evidence that being trans is a mental illness. In some places it was classified as an abnormality, but not an "illness". But, it turns out that there is no scientific consensus on the issue. (https://www.scientificamerican.com...) Some scientists think it might be a mental illness, others aren't so sure. Since CON failed to provide evidence, his claim fails.

b. There is absolutely no basis for CON's comparison between "a schizophrenic" and being transgendered, even if being trans was a mental illness.

Schizophrenia is "a mental disorder characterized by abnormal social behavior and failure to understand what is real. Common symptoms include false beliefs, unclear or confused thinking, hearing voices that others do not hear, reduced social engagement and emotional expression, and a lack of motivation. People with schizophrenia often have additional mental health problems such as anxiety, depressive, or substance-use disorders. Symptoms typically come on gradually, begin in young adulthood, and last a long time." (https://en.wikipedia.org...)

In contrast, "gender dysphoria (GD), or gender identity disorder (GID), is the distress a person experiences as a result of the sex and gender they were assigned at birth. In this case, the assigned sex and gender do not match the person's gender identity, and the person is transgender." (https://en.wikipedia.org...)

But, even if being transgendered was like being schizophrenic, that would mean that as a society we should be doubly obliged to support them because as a society, we should support the marginalized, disenfranchised, and suffering --- a category in which these people would surely fall.

c. CON's solution to "just send them to a psychologist" is "support".

CON concedes that the transgendered should be supported at least to the extent that they should be offered psychological help. This is a direct concession necessitating his loss.

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Posted by whiteflame 7 months ago
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3 points to Pro (Arguments). Reasons for voting decision: Argument goes pro.

[*Reason for removal*] Not an RFD.
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Posted by whiteflame 7 months ago
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3 points to Pro (Arguments). Reasons for voting decision: Con Posted a single round argument and so dropped all Pro's responses. Arguments to Pro.

[*Reason for removal*] The voter is required to specifically assess arguments presented by both sides. Merely stating that one side refuted the other due to lack of response is not sufficient " it must be clear why that refutation was effective.
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