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Transsexuality is a mental disorder.

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Started: 12/22/2017 Category: Society
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It is clear that today's society, has strayed from the once popular belief that transsexual individuals suffered from a mental illness. Today we no longer perceive transgender individuals as mentally ill, and deem them functioning members of our society. That point was driven home even further with the recent movement to allow transgenders to serve openly, as well as join our military. Ignoring the mental stability of transgenders is harmful in many ways. A transgender person is 30% to 50% (in some cases depending on which polls you reference) more likely to commit suicide, both post and pre-operation. Studies from Sweden, Denmark and also a 2013 study shows 90% of transgenders have mental disorders consisting of depression and anxiety known causes of suicide. People are often quick to argue the suicide rate is due to the oppression, lack of acceptance, bullying, and other negative factors they face from members of today's society. Therefore, it seems people feel they must advocate for their rights, and push for fair treatment and acceptance in order to reduce these rates. Is the suicide rate that drastically influenced by conditions within our society? The suicide rate for Jewish members of Nazi Germany during World War II, was astronomically lower than transgenders today. Comprehensive data shows in 1942, those who were persecuted after being classified as Jewish according to Nazi race laws were 26 times more likely to commit suicide (rate: 1,480/100,000) 1.5%. Are transgenders today suffering more than the Jewish population did under the rule of Adolf Hitler? The answer is obvious, so to claim that their high suicide rate is solely and directly related to their treatment from society is ridiculous. Instead of "treating" them with expensive surgeries and hormone treatments, we should be attacking the issue on the mental side. Doctors and surgeons profit greatly from gender reassignment operations, yet gender surgery is not the required treatment for depression and anxiety or other transgender mental disorders. Why is this not being brought up more? Why is it now taboo to link transsexuality with mental illness? The Dutch study results state In 270 (75%) of these 359 patients, cross-gender identification was interpreted as an epiphenomenon of other psychiatric illnesses, notably personality, mood, dissociate, and psychotic disorders. Major mood disorders, dissociative disorders and psychotic disorders reported in 79% of transgenders. This should be alarming. Of course there are transgender individuals who do not suffer from mental illness, however by not focusing on this issue we are not saving potential lives. Everywhere we see the constant rhetoric about gender change success and yet not one sound media report that acknowledges 30% to 50% of transgenders commit suicide because of untreated mental illness. Wouldn't advocating for them acknowledge this, and bring attention to this issue? The media has been spinning a rhetoric that transsexualism is a civil rights issue, they do not disclose that nearly 90% of the time transgenders suffer serious mental issues, disorders that are causing their regret and premature deaths. Insanity is to focus on XY and XX patterns, hormone treatments and surgery or born in the wrong body, when it"s mental illness.


Nothing could be further from the truth. Mental Disorders imply Disease. These persons do not suffer from disease, they suffer from poor judgement, lack of self control with regards to sex. They suffer from self inflicted perversion. None came about suddenly? Their behavior was cultivated over time. From pornography they merely observed different scenarios and began to fantisize over them, eventually the opportunity arose and they took it! That's "Not" mental illness, it's stupidity! Failing to say No to themselves, they wanted it, so they took it ... now they LIKE it and they want to be allowed to do it without the "stigma" of pervert attached to it!
You mess with poison ivy you get rash, you can call it itchy bumps, but we all know the truth! you can say its normal the rest of us know better!
  • 1. the alteration of something from its original course, meaning, or state to a distortion or corruption of what was first intended: "all great evil is the perversion of a good" synonyms: distortion, misrepresentation, falsification, travesty, misinterpretation,;... more
  • 2. sexual behavior or desire that is considered abnormal or unacceptable. synonyms: deviance, abnormality, depravity, degeneracy, debauchery,;... more

mental illness


  • 1. a condition which causes serious disorder in a person's behaviour or thinking.

See when placed side by side the evidence demonstrated by the LGBT community is right in your face! There can be no debate , there can be no arguement ... their conduct and behavior mirriors WHICH definition more accurately?

SEE? Perverts nothing more or less. They don't like being called that and we are clearly to out of power to change it! The people in power are for whatever keeps them in office!

These people are not mentally ill, they are merely perverse in character and nature, this s a learned trait from childhood. This didn't just happen, it required experimentation and training in the patterning of sexual conduct!

A peophile, while a pervert is sent to prison ... the Court knows he is not Mentally ill, he's a pervert! A Rapist is sent to prison, is HE identified as mentally ill? No, He's a perv and everyone knows it! As to the lady wanting to have sex and marry tree's? Okay you might have me on that one ... but all the others from beastiallity to homosexuality, to lesbianism, were available in every nudie place on the planet for a lot of years. They were perverted back then? Whats changed? That MORE people are doing it? That's not mental illness, that's loss of Societal Control and corrupt government, nothing more!

So are the homosexual population, LGBT, the lot of them. Mentally ill? Not quite, just perverse in their conduct. There sole purpose is sexual gratification nothing more?

Sexual Identity ... hogwash! Pure unadulterated lies, created for the sole purpose to push away the overwhleming feeling of wrongness that has long since died to them. IN THE CLOSET? Remember? There you go! This demonstrates that everyone of them KNOWS it's wrong and perverse, but their DESIRE to engage in the perversion won out. It is true that God told them that He would curse the sinners who refuse to acknowledge Him .. and How?

Romans 1:18
18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness,
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

So was born beastiality, Tree love, LGBT Gender Identity!

Honestly ... if you have a Uterus your female, a prostate ... a male. That's not difficult. Let's be reasonable! Sexuality is not a state of mind! You can Identify with a penguin but you cannot become one! Same here. your identified in science by your Bones ... imagine the confusion when scientist in 800 years dig up one of these digenerates and the expression on their faces, when they see silicon breast implants in a coffin with a MALE Skeleton? Course this will be no problem with the females because their bones and although the scientist are gonna ponder the sizes of the bones as unusually thick but definiely female! Giving a whole new meaning to big boned eh?

No, Sexual perversion is the new thing. You even have Scientist doing there dangdest to attempt to prove that somehow these perverts were women trapped in a male body or vice a versa. You honestly cannot tell me that Scientists don't already KNOW that MEN and WOMEN CANNOT BE CHANGED into REAL WOMAN or REAL MEN. (Capitalizations for emphasis only!)

it IS scientifically and chemically and structurally impossible. Only tissue can be altered NOT the biological identity. AS to the Brain? Ron White said it Best ... you Can't Fix Stupid!

Meaning government ... the LGBT, they appear to be getting their way?

Remember how they got abortion passed? OH those poor women who got pregnant when they were raped! Now Millions upon Millions of babies are aborted ... psst, I've a feeling not many RAPE victims among them. (wink)
Debate Round No. 1


While I agree with some of the points you made, my argument is not the humanity of it. Whether or not we should as a society change our views on genetics, gender, and the sexuality that make men and women different in order to facilitate this "fair treatment" of transgenders, is a great topic for another discussion. I will say that I find the interaction between then feminist movement and the transgender movement quite hilarious. The feminist movement advocates for women empowerment yet we have men winning women of the year awards. I often ask peoples opinion on this hypothetical situation. Let's say we have a man who decided he was born into the wrong body and is a woman, and even undergoes gender reassignment. That same individual later decides to campaign to be elected as the president of the United States, and wins the election. Will women finally say "The first female president has finally been elected! This is a huge moment for the progress of women!" Subjects like this are interesting for me as well, and perhaps we can discuss them in another debate. However the issue I am more focused on discussing is simply this. Are we wrong to classify individuals who fall under the transsexual umbrella as suffering from a mental disorder? You made the reference that, to claim they have a mental illness, is to also say they have a disease. I disagree with this statement. Recent studies have shown that mental disorders can be developed over time, from a variety of factors.
Any number of circumstances"for instance, sexual abuse, falling victim to crime, or the breakup of a relationship"can produce psychosocial stress. But experts assume each of these circumstances triggers more primal reactions, such as feelings of loss or danger, which serve to push victims toward a particular mental state. "Feelings of pure loss might lead to depressive disorders, while feelings of pure danger might lead to anxiety disorders," explains Ronald Kessler, a professor of health care policy at Harvard Medical School. "And feelings of loss and danger might lead to both simultaneously." Either alone or in combination, psychosocial and physiological stressors can interact with genetic vulnerability to alter brain chemistry and thus alter the individual"s mental health.

Several lines of evidence point to an environmental role in psychiatric disease. Among identical twins, if one becomes schizophrenic, the risk to the other is on average less than 50%, suggesting that environmental influences must somehow be involved. Similar findings have been observed with depression and other mental disorders.

So I will agree with you that transsexuality can be, and perhaps is a learned behavior. However this does not mean that it is also not a mental disorder. Up until recently, transgenderism was called Gender Identity Disorder or GID. The name has since been changed to Gender Dysphoria. Not because new evidence suggests that it is no longer associative of a disorder, but simply because people campaigned that it was discriminatory. The root of my argument is this, why is associating Gender Dysphoria with mental illness, discriminatory? As mentioned, I recognize that perhaps not all people who are transgender suffer from a mental disorder, but that is a very slim portion when compared to the statistics. There have been people who suffer from schizophrenia, yet were functional and so they never reported it and were able to live a healthy and relatively normal life, at least in the eyes of the society. This does not mean that they weren't suffering from a mental illness.

If people truly wanted to advocate for transgender awareness, wouldn't we want to recognize the mental stress and issues that come with it? Would it not be beneficial to know that 30% to 50% of transgenders commit suicide, and that 90% of them suffer from depression, anxiety, and a variety of mental issues? This is why I have an issue with people who push for transgender awareness and rights, yet lecture me when I state its a mental disorder. Lets get back to the discussion that being transgender is a developed behavior.

"The frequency of potentially traumatic events (PTEs) and associated symptoms were examined in a cross-sectional study of 97 transgender participants who had been classified as male at birth. A total of 98% reported at least one PTE and 91% endorsed multiple events. Of those with PTE exposures, 42% reported that at least one event was transgender bias-related. Among those with PTEs, 17.8% endorsed clinically significant symptoms of PTSD and 64% reported clinically significant depressive symptoms. The percentage of transgender individuals in this sample reporting clinically significant symptoms was higher than in trauma-exposed samples of men in the general population, but roughly similar to rates of female trauma survivors. Amount of time spent dressed consistent with gender identity was associated with increased risk for PTE exposure and was positively associated with mental health symptoms. No differences in symptoms were observed when comparing those with and without transgender bias-related PTEs. Overall, transgender individuals endorsed high prevalence of PTE exposure along with elevated PTSD and depressive symptoms, when compared to other traumatized populations."

There are many studies that suggest that a vast majority of people who identify as transgender, also suffered from some form of childhood trauma or event. This events range from childhood neglect, to molestation and rape. So it is reasonable to suggest that it can be a learned behavior either through personal events, society, or perversion as you suggested. There are also studies and arguments that show the problem can lie genetically as well. "A twin study (based on seven people in a 314 sample) suggested that GID may be 62% heritable, indicating the possibility of a genetic influence or prenatal development as its origin, in these cases." I do not concern myself with how these people come to be transgender. But we should link them to having a mental illness. Believing in your mind that you are a gender other than what you are genetically, is certainly a mental state that is causing significant distress or impairment of personal functioning. There are also many benefits in relation to classifying it as a mental disorder for individuals who are transgender. I believe more focus should be put on the mental side as far as treatment goes, because there is proof that changing ones gender through gender reassignment, does not improve the transgender individuals mental state. However those seeking a reassignment operation, would benefit from its classification as a mental disorder.

"Individuals with gender dysphoria may or may not regard their own cross-gender feelings and behaviors as a disorder. Advantages and disadvantages exist to classifying gender dysphoria as a disorder. Because gender dysphoria had been classified as a disorder in medical texts (such as the previous DSM manual, the DSM-IV-TR, under the name "gender identity disorder"), many insurance companies are willing to cover some of the expenses of sex reassignment therapy. Without the classification of gender dysphoria as a medical disorder, sex reassignment therapy may be viewed as cosmetic treatment, rather than medically necessary treatment, and may not be covered."
Despite this, people are still trying to make a movement to remove the association of Gender Dysphoira with poor mental health. You cannot join the military with mental health issues yet in 2018, they will be eligible. A group of people with a suicide rate of 40%. I'm not against their willingness to serve their country, I think its commendable. I am not here to debate whether or not they will be capable of serving in the military, it simply has relation to my argument. The issue remains that this is a mental disorder, and to state that is not discriminatory.


The argument stands as is. Reminder of Topic: Transsexuality is a mental disorder.


Rationale- learned behavior!

Mental Illness

Illness: an unhealthy condition of body or mind

b : sickness 2

Sickness: a : ill health : illness

b : a disordered, weakened, or unsound condition

2 : a specific disease

Enough said on your agreement with mental illness implying disease or not! (Capitalizations used as emphasis only)

Point was “ON TOPIC” in its entirety!

The evidence you fabricate is one of “opinion” nothing more! Allow me to suggest you look at the “WHOLE” evidence more objectively!

Let us turn our respective intellects to the task at hand! Rationalize and reason the “actual evidence in plain sight” not what is not in sight requiring (guessing) an agreed less scientific use of our time!

That it is a “learned behavior is beyond question! Experimentation leads to greater evils, so to speak! They begin with pornography which exposes them to depraved activities with virtually no limit to the depths one may sink too! This followed by societal violations of moral enforcement, predisposes them to depraved actions by adults heretofore referred to as “OBSENE” no longer viewed under moral microscope (as we gradually “kick” God out of everything).

Scientists under pressure by government to appease the lobbies (LGBT) begin to spin lies, that though the general public’s certainly are alert that they are in “FACT” Lies …. I.e. … that it could even “BE” possible for a Man to be trapped in a Woman’s body and vice a versa (aka –in an attempt to hide the obvious Perversion from the knowing public spout gene, and any and everything to justify depraved, lewd conduct of what are becoming the masses behavior patterns). All the while in full knowledge … 5th grade student level intellect that it is impossible for a Man to be trapped in a Woman’s body, physically, without exception!

Simplified for the weak minded ( Man identifies AS a penguin but is trapped in a Man’s body). (Logic, Reason and Intelligence KNOW that IS IMPOSSIBLE). Please do not use this example to support your ridiculous conclusion of mental illness. We refer to physical reality versus potentiality of personal desire only! It is similar in all aspects as the illustration.

Male-born with skeletal framework medically/pathologically identifiable AS Male specific, born with Prostate, full formed or not! IS “ MALE” and “cannot be” anything else by virtue of Reality of the persons physical/chemical structure, which can easily be identified by hard scientific measures used in pathology .. A known an accepted science!

Humanity may alter tissue only! This can be accomplished even to the point of imitation Penguin physical traits … BUT, and this cannot BE overly stressed … to suggest, imply, or concur in any way or fashion that this person HAS BECOME (by reason of surgical alteration) A PENGUIN in actuality, infers lunacy on the part of Society as a whole, and an absolute breakdown of Government and Medical, Physiological, Political system … does it not? This very much implies a coming apocalypse of epic proportions (as it so happens the Bible stresses that IS what’s happening doesn’t it, in Revelations no less! Again, that’s another story.

Which brings the answer to your question into stark reality, by reason of simple intelligence? Is Transsexuality a mental disorder? Obviously not!

It is a learned trait, a loosening of ones morals in their entirety, it is a giving over to one’s Lustful desires with abandon (The Curse placed upon person’s and Society as a whole as discussed in Romans 1:18-27 ... see previous argument).

But let us go a little further shall we? “WHY” would Lesbians use Male replicas on each other? IF they wanted to be Male, why on EARTH would they crave the FEMALE AND Male organ at all? Answer … because it is totally sexual “IN NATURE” has NOTHING to do with sexual identity they want BOTH organs for their pleasure!

Same with the Homosexual isn’t it? They get with another MALE but use each other’s WHAT? There you are! EVIDENCE, THEY WANT BOTH ORGANS!

But evidence of mental illness? No … not quite, when someone Clearly desires BOTH a Male AND Female organ in sexual situations interchangeably, that “ISN’T” mental illness … that’s ” flat DEVIATION FROM THE NORMAL” and “THAT” is defined as: drum roll PLEASE?



1. the alteration of something from its original course, meaning, or state to a distortion or corruption of what was first intended: "all great evil is the perversion of a good" synonyms: distortion, misrepresentation, falsification, travesty, misinterpretation,;... more

2. sexual behavior or desire that is considered abnormal or unacceptable. synonyms: deviance, abnormality, depravity, degeneracy, debauchery,;... More

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The defense rests! But it was a heck of a try on your part! BRAVO!

Debate Round No. 2


You say let us examine the evidence, yet your argument is largely full of opinions formulated from what I can assume to fabricated from your religious beliefs. You say points I have made are opinions of my own, yet I have referenced several scientific studies linking transgender individuals, and poor mental health. To back your argument" you bring definitions from a dictionary, and the bible. Show me studies that support your claim that these individuals are 100% in good mental health and are simply perverted. You insist on using the definition perversion, and define them as simply perverted individuals, who have developed a thought process. What let them to be prone to this "perverted" mental state? As previously referenced a vast percentage of them have suffered from a childhood trauma, perhaps altering the development of their young impressionable minds. I never once refuted your statement that transgenderism can fit under the definition of perversion. But show me a scientific study suggestion that these individuals are in perfect mental health, and simply watched too much porn and suddenly wanted to live as the other gender. Millions of people watch porn, and are perhaps perverted in nature, even attracted to the other sex, yet do not have the mental state of identifying as another gender. Why were these individuals prone to Gender Dysphoria? After all it is simply a learned behavior, developed as you state from perversion."

Does your theory explain why MRI's and other brain scans show a difference in both brain activity and structure when compared to a non-transgender individual of the same sex?

"Neuropsychologist Carme Junqu Plaja of the University of Barcelona"used MRI to examine the brains of 24 female-to-males and 18 male-to-females"both before and after treatment with cross-sex hormones. Their results, published in 2013, showed that even before treatment the brain structures of the trans people were more similar in some respects to the brains of their experienced gender than those of their natal gender. For example, the female-to-male subjects had relatively thin subcortical areas (these areas tend to be thinner in men than in women). Male-to-female subjects tended to have thinner cortical regions in the right hemisphere, which is characteristic of a female brain. (Such differences became more pronounced after treatment.)"

"MRI data from 24 transwomen who had not started hormone treatment revealed that while their overall grey matter appeared similar to that of XY karyotype males, they possessed a significantly larger amount of grey matter in the right putamen. In fact, the grey matter structure of the transwomen was much closer to those seen in XX karyotype female subjects. In short, while the brains of the transwomen resembled XY male brains in terms of grey matter, in one specific region their brains appeared to be "feminized." (Luders)
A study of the white matter in the brains of 18 transmen, 24 XY karyotype males, and 19 XX karyotype females using diffusion tensor imaging (DTI) showed that the white matter structure of transmen was much closer to that of XY males than XX females. In fact, the white matter of their brain differed from the XY males only in a single region of the brain, whereas they differed from the XX women in three regions of the brain. None of the transmen had received hormone treatment at the time of the study. (Rametti, 2011) A follow-up study by the same researchers found that after the transmen had received hormone treatment, significant changes occurred in their brains, making them appear even more masculinized in certain regions which are associated with XY males. (Rametti, 2012)"

These are just but a few examples of scientific research that show that transgender individuals have a different brain structure and activity, than non-transgender individuals. Similar to how a vast majority or people suffering from a range of mental disorders brains would be different than that of a control subject. Show me claims that support your argument, other than defining them as perverts, and referencing religion, and perhaps I can take your claims more seriously. I am puzzled at how you feel I am simply expressing my individual opinion, when the basis of my argument has been backed by science, on multiple levels. You have failed to produce any scientific evidence of your own, and perhaps because all studies done on their behavior, functioning, brain patterns, etc. point a very strong link between the transgender mind, and" a mental disorder. After all, GID has been classified as a disorder since 1980, and hasn't been changed up until recently, only due to a movement that calls the classification of GID as a disorder as discriminatory and infringing upon LGBTQ rights. Scientist and psychologist were wrong for 38 years? All of their studies, research, and findings disproven because being transgender fits the definition of perversion, and it goes against the bible? Your claims are outrageous, and it stands that Gender Dysphoria remains a mental disorder.


Hehehe; just like a Bull being led by a nose ring! OPINIONS are not Facts, Their opinions! You don't even know what they mean!
The difference is that YOURS are all opinion! Mine are not! IF YOU researched God you WOULD come to the exact SAME conclusion as I did! That you refuse isn't my problem, and doesn't substantiate your claim, based on the FULL knowledge that of the two of us, only I actually KNOW by personal experience and study! So the just my opinion theory of yours ... yeah that dog don't hunt. you would have to research to prove me wrong, and if you did research, you would only prove me correct as you WOULD find God yourself!

You keep missing the point! I AM the REAL THING, I know God, and you do not. I follow God in all matters, you do not! I’m a citizen of heaven, you are not! I can SHOW and quote the Word of God, you cannot. I have proven my profession; you have shown that you are an imposter, nothing more! I have seen the truth and studied to ascertain that truth. You are led about by your nose ring! You don’t study God, why on Earth would even the most ignorant of individuals be remotely convinced you’d study ANYTHING! Beyond what you read. Naïve is what you are! Your profile proves your just bored and will talk about anything, despite total ignorance in the subject matter. You seek articles only at the time of debate, you neither care nor have any interest in the subject at all.
Case in point … you cite, articles of people’s opinions, none are facts. I quote facts alone. You drown yourself in the mundane, I look at the evidence alone, without agenda, or boredom. The opinions you cite are just that, people who are following an agenda.
Did I not share with you the Reality of the unchangeable human form. You are going to sit there and honestly state to the world that you do not know, that a Man can NEVER become a REAL honest to God woman physically! He can have an artificial Vagina placed … However it is nonfunctional as compared to a REAL woman! He cannot conceive as a Real Woman can … His Bone structure REMAINS that of a Human Male in perpetuity! His chemical and DNA REMAINS Male, In every way … he is NOTHING MORE than a FEMINIZED MALE! There is solid factual data! doesn't require an opinion, it is what it is and anyone who looked at the autopsy of a sex changed cadaver would be unable to dispute the Male findings!

So spare us your pick and choose opinions … truth is what we are after! The truth IS, LGBT is a LEARNED TRAIT, a perversion by very definition! The United States Judicial system NEVER has nor will prosecute a Pedophile under insanity, because they recognize that it IS a perversion … The United States Courts will NEVER allow defense of insanity to a Rapist. Just LIKE LGBT are in every way sexual deviates, nothing more nor less. Does not require opinion becase it is a fact and a fact IS what it IS!
No matter what tests you perform, there will never be scientific EVIDENCE that can be construed as a Fact, because it requires opinion. A fact, Doesn’t require opinion! It is what it is!
It is just like the lie of Evolution … it is claimed by Scientific data, that the Origin of Life came about by something crawling out of the primordial ooze … and do you know to this very DAY, ALL SCIENTIST from Darwin to the Present has been UNABLE to get anything to leave the microscopic World and MOVE into Reality!
That MEANS for those with a brain … there IS NO PROOF the primordial ooze theory EVER ACTUALLY OCCURRED!
Yet everyone is in total denial, but not a soul on the internet can show us a creature that exists in the Real world created from scratch by evolutionary experimentation. ALL MICROSCOPIC only! So NO crawling out of ooze ever actually occurred by Scientific FACT!
So the question still is valid! God created everything just as the Bible states. There are no other theories at all is there! This very much means … Hell? Gonna be loaded with people who never bothered to look for themselves! Deliberately chose to be ignorant!
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Autistic_Spider 2 years ago
Yes it is and evidence suggests that it is probably likely predominantly caused by hormonal imbalance and disruption to biological development due to exposure to a number of toxic substances in the environment, such as phthalates (chemicals used in making plastics, adhesives, fragrances and other common goods) and various pesticides for instance.

There is also the "acceptance" movement which accounts for some increase in prevalence during recent decades but most of the increase is due to exposure to toxins in the environment.
Posted by MRAAJ 2 years ago
Again with your ignorance, you have no idea of the lives we lead. Preaching fool! I'd like to see you debate something without the use of a Bible. Who are you to tell me im consigned to hell, just because I'm enlightening your outdated ways. knowledge is power, ignorance is bliss, you chose bliss.
Posted by FollowerofChrist1955 2 years ago
still here?
I believe my integrity remains intact. I've spoken no opinions, nor lies, I have informed you of what I actually know from personal research! To accept it or not is entirely up to you as I have pointed out. But you will and are going to Hell immediately upon leaving THIS life for the exact reasons I have informed you of?

neither one of us can change That? as it is a mandate from God, therefore only God can alter it! Your actions show it is NOT your desire to save yourself, and I cannot save you, thus your suffering IS of your own doing!

As for opinions? yours or anyone else? Not interested there are 1.1 Billion f them! all wrong!

atheists and unbelievers in the World=1.1 Billion

Posted by MRAAJ 2 years ago
@follower', and another thing birthday boy! Time and again ive proved your ignorance. First you say I'm an atheist or non believer, i prove you wrong, im sikh, you could've looked at my bio. Then you said im challenging God, incorrect! I'm challenging religions, as most of them are against free thinking. I wonder why?! Islam is all about surrendering to god, Sikhism separates a freethinker (manmukh) from a follower of God (gurmukh). Religions Don't want to promote free thinking because then we'd all learn other aspects of life, why live like that. So in a few days il start a new debate with you, forget about our current one. Itl be based on what ive just said, and you can defend your preaching. Simply because i want to learn why religious folk are so negligent of other beliefs
Posted by MRAAJ 2 years ago
Don't get it twisted old man, i'm not afraid to challenge ignorance, at no point in your whole debating style do you acknowledge other peoples' points, you just say they are unreasoned or inexperienced. Talk about inexperience, you've lived your whole life based on ONE aspect of gods' teachings, WAKE UP, see the world around you, there are clearly other ways to connect with god. Buddhism for instance believes in a simple life, one without attachment to materialism. Granted you must feel a deep connection to Christ, I respect that, but by rejecting freethinking, you yourself are evil. Freedom of thought is what makes us do good, when we soul search,
Posted by MRAAJ 2 years ago
I was pretty clear in my comments, my opinions are far more realistic . I suppose some people are just stuck in their ways, carry on!
Posted by FollowerofChrist1955 2 years ago
I'm terribly sorry, I've no interest in discussing the inexperienced opinions of others, but thank you anyway! I do not need others misconceptions to cloud matters.
Posted by MRAAJ 2 years ago
il expand by what I mean by you being a preaching narcissistic (diff debate page), u think that if other people don't accept Christ as the ONLY way to god then therefore they must be sinners, but u have no idea of the lives we lead, n how we choose to connect with god, therefore i will not tolerate hypocrisy, people are not perfect, education n self awareness is the best way forward, let people express themselves wholeheartedly, not live in fear
Posted by MRAAJ 2 years ago
Posted by MRAAJ 2 years ago
a paedophile is mentally ill.

Talk about agenda seeking, that's hypocrisy! I am unbias, as for I am not transsexual. Of course it wont benefit the status quo, but in this sin based society, sexual energy thrives, I am not wrong.
Society and god are to different entities.

It is realism in this sense that my views don't come from a book ,but from experience, and communal understanding,

I don't care about popularity either, I am an individualist, I couldn't care less about other people in a way, but let them do their own thing, don't interfere. if its wrong, let them learn from it
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