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ChaseE
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Shanor
Con (against)

Trump's Ban on Transgendered People was The Right Move

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Started: 7/28/2017 Category: Politics
Updated: 5 months ago Status: Debating Period
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ChaseE

Pro

First round is for accepting the debate.
Shanor

Con

I will agree to this as long as you define "transgender" so that we both have a good understanding of what you consider someone who is this, and if you will post any specific rules you want to have followed.
Debate Round No. 1
ChaseE

Pro

First off, I just want to thank all who served. I'm considering a military career, and I have family who served, so I wanted to thank all of our servicemen and women, our veterans, and all those in the Reserves or National Guard.

So, you asked for a definition of transgender. According to Transequality.org, the definition of a transgendered person is "A term for people whose gender identity, expression or behavior is different from those typically associated with their assigned sex at birth." This will be the definition that I will use when referring to transgendered people.

I will concede that the way the ban was announced and supposed to be carried out in was poorly thought out. However, the spirit of the ban is correct. As a matter of fact, according to an editorial by Michael Lee, an administrator for the group Unbiased America wrote (entitled "Though Not Politically Correct, Trump's Ban on Transsexuals Serving in the Military Is a Wise One..."), "In addition to the mood swings associated with hormone therapy, trans individuals that receive sex reassignment surgery have a higher rate of depression. . . 40% of trans individuals attempt suicide at some point in their life, compared to 4.6% of the general population." Lee cites his sources at the conclusion of the editorial, which I will leave below. What exactly does Lee mean? It's easy to throw numbers around; explaining them is much more difficult. In a nutshell, transgendered people who undergo a "transition" period not only experience mood swings (as a result of hormone therapy), but also are more likely to be clinically depressed and more prone to suicide; in fact, the numbers show that trans people are almost ten times as likely as the general population to attempt suicide at some point in their life. Furthermore, J.R. Salzman, a retired wounded US Army veteran who served during the War in Iraq, stated in a series of tweets that "War is no place for people who are mentally, emotionally, or physically confused or in turmoil. You have your s*** together, or you don't," as reported by the Daily Wire. Combat is a stressful environment, and the military is certainly not for everyone. The military's job is to win wars, not to be politically correct.

Now, I'm sure you are smart enough to notice that the two sources I've cited are right-leaning groups, with one being an editorial, an op-ed. Yes, I've used sources from right-wing groups, but even if their conclusions are right-wing, that facts presented in these pieces are not. According to Dictionary.Com, an opinion is "a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty." This same site states that a fact is "something that actually exists; reality; truth." We can debate opinions, but we cannot debate facts. So even if a source's objectivity is in question, any facts used by that source are reliable and true.

Going back to Lee's editorial, he mentions "gender dysphoria." Dictionary.Com defines gender dysphoria as "a psychological condition marked by significant emotional distress and impairment in life functioning, caused by a lack of congruence between gender identity and biological sex assigned at birth." Furthermore, the American Psychiatric Association defines gender dysphoria as "a conflict between a person's physical or assigned gender and the gender with which he/she/they identify." If this sounds familiar, that's because it is almost word for word the definition of a transgendered person given by TransEquality.Org. Gender Dysphoria had previously been called Gender Identity Disorder. Mental disorders will disqualify you from joining the military, as provided with my last source. (Note: I understand that the article does contain outdated information (it says that transsexualism will get you rejected from the military.) As you can see, any history of depression will result in the military rejecting you. If you'll recall from my second paragraph, transgendered people have higher rates of depression. Beyond that, gender dysphoria is a mental disorder. IF transgendered people suffer from gender dysphoria, then they cannot serve in the military because they have a mental disorder, and therefore transgender people should not be in the armed forces anyway.

So Con, what this really boils down to is whether trans people have a mental disorder or not. If they do, then they should not be allowed to serve because the military disqualifies anyone with mental disorders. If they don't, then it becomes a more case-by-case basis, in which such a sweeping ban seems like the wrong move.

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Shanor

Con

Thank you for the definition, that is a very important part of every debate.

First and foremost, the idea of being transgender means that that person has a mental disorder is a going into weird territory. psychology todays definition of a mental disorder goes as so, "A mental disorder is a clinically significant behavioral or psychological syndrome or pattern that occurs in an individual and that is associated with present distress or disability or with a significantly increased risk of suffering death, pain, disability, or an important loss of freedom". I do not think the act of feeling like you are a different gender is a mental disorder. I do think that someone who is going through hormone therapy should not be allowed in the military if it is causing mood swings that cannot be stopped with regular medicine, but If they are not showing signs of having mental problems, or they can just take medication to stop the mood swings, they are fine in the military.

The idea that having a higher chance for depression means you should not be allowed in the military would cause some problems. No people from Wyoming, people over 20, or people who are white would be allowed in the military if this rule was enforced (according to the AFSP). So because the idea that people who have a greater chance for depression and suicide should not be allowed in the military does not hold up in other cases, this point should be discarded (unless you have an explanation for how these are different. (also remember comparing one group to the populous is not the best strategy because it can warp results like this.)).

I think that instead of saying that all transgender people should not be allowed in the military we should instead create some rules governing mood swings and have better psychological screenings to help make the military better overall. This would mean that the people who are transgender who are stable can go in, while the less stable ones can not go in / wait for there hormone therapy to work out. I don't think a full ban is the correct decision. Rather, I think we should use this time to make the military overall better.

https://www.psychologytoday.com...

https://afsp.org...
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Posted by Shanor 5 months ago
Shanor
I guess I win
Posted by Shanor 5 months ago
Shanor
Are we going to get this going or are we done already?
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