Turner's Rain, Steam, and Speed is a truer impressionist painting than Monet's Impression, Sunrise
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I argue that J.M.W. Turner's earlier painting "Rain, Steam, and Speed" was in fact a better expression of the impressionist philosophy, even though it was painted before that word had any meaning.
Monet's "Impression, Sunrise:" http://en.wikipedia.org...
Turner's "Rain, Steam, and Speed:" http://en.wikipedia.org...
For the voters of this debate who may not know what impressionism is (as I didn't until posting this).
Characteristics of Impressionist painting include visible brush strokes, open composition, emphasis on light in its changing qualities (often accentuating the effects of the passage of time), ordinary subject matter, the inclusion of movement as a crucial element of human perception and experience, and unusual visual angles.
While J.M.W.'s earlier painting (painted in 1844) does arguable match a few of aspects of impressionism above, it fails to incorporate ordinary subject matter. While a train may seem like ordinary subject matter today, in J.M.W.'s time this was a relatively new and exciting invention.
The first for public use, and on cast iron rails, was the Surrey Iron Railway incorporated in 1799. It obtained an Act of Parliament on 21 May 1801 to build a tramroad between Wandsworth and Croydon in what is now south London; the engineer was William Jessop. Although it survived only until 1845 and was for freight traffic only, it prefaced many others in different parts of the country. Meanwhile, the first passenger-carrying public railway was the Oystermouth Railway, authorised in 1807. All three of these railways were initially worked by horses; the Surrey Iron Railway remained horse-drawn throughout its life.
Baxter, Bertram (1966). Stone Blocks and Iron Rails. Newton Abbot: David & Charles.
While my opponent may contend that the portrait was meant to depict earlier trains, I would like to contend that they were horse drawn and no horses were shown in the picture. Additionally this picture was of the Great Western Railway Crossing the Thames river.
^ Gerald E. Finley (1999), Angel in the Sun: Turner's vision of history, McGill-Queen's Press, ISBN 0773517472,
The first section of the Great Western Railway was opened from London to a temporary station on the east side of the Thames at Maidenhead on 4 June 1838. The remaining line was opened in stages as the engineering works were completed:
MacDermot, E T (1927). History of the Great Western Railway, volume I 1833-1863. London: Great Western Railway.
Therefore it does not satisfy this count. This is contrasting to Monet's Impression, Sunrise, which satisfied the requirement of ordinary subject matter.
Additionally light plays no to little part in "Rain, Steam, and Speed" whereas Monet's portrait clearly shows the sun on the small ripples of a body of water. The portrait clearly shows how the light changes colors as it becomes closer to the viewer. The light is brighter toward the tree-line than towards the lower end of the picture.
Furthermore, Monet represents the French movement because his nationality is French, whereas J.M.W. is a British painter whose portrait was of a British landscape.
Therefore I negate J.M.W.'s painting: "Rain, Steam, and Speed," is a better expression of Impressionist philosophy for the clear reasons shown above. I would like to thank my opponent for his excellent debate subject. I would also like to thank him for expanding my knowledge and the knowledge of many voters reading this debate. I look forward to your rebuttal.
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