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U.S Citizens Over Use The Privilege Of Government Assistance And Welfare

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Started: 1/18/2015 Category: Society
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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KevinL90

Con

In today's society there is a great percentage of Americans who are on government assistance and welfare. These assistance programs include but are not limited to, food stamps, sis, tca, unemployment, disability and many more. These governmental funded programs I believe are one of many of the reasons are economic growth has depleated. It is a statistical and proven study that the average U.S Citizen or uses these programs have no intention on getting off of them. In other words, these individuals get these government funds and have no intention on getting a job. My argument is two things. One being this is more so the governments fault. Instead of providing low class citizens with the tools to prosper out of these situations these programs simply allow citizens to feel comfortable in them. Allowing an individual to sit at home and collect finances with no productivity involved is outlandish. As a country we already spends millions if not billions on world warfare and these governemental funded programs. Having citizens add on to this by collecting finances without a prospering cause behind it is absurd. My second arguement is that these citizens should not use the government as a first and last resort. I support the fact some individuals may need these programs as a temporary means of benefits. Whether it may be employment layoff, a valid disability, educational purposes and even a few other discrete reasons. But I totally am against citizens using the government as means for their own well-being.
Juwar74

Pro

Our American history has already shown what could happen to a society when there is no safety net for the least of these. During the Great Depression, many families were dismantled because of economic instability. Fathers committed suicide in droves, and religious and charitable organizations were few and limited to the number of people they could serve. The increase in poverty caused many fathers to migrate and leave their wives and children behind to never see them again. The desperation caused by poverty led people into crime and other nefarious lifestyles to make a living. The New Deal was a response to this and other examples of social instability. Without the basics of food, clothing and shelter, many people will revert to "survival" mode which will normally lead to more robberies and theft.

It was because of the government's inaction to address widespread poverty that the French Revolution, the Arab Spring, and the Cuban Revolution blossomed.

Now, more than ever, government assistance will be needed as technology will reduce the human labor force, putting millions more out of work. And what should these people do?

The claim that citizens over use government assistance and welfare is over-exaggerated when you look at the numbers, and it also assumes that the people who are using government assistance are using it in a climate of economic expansion or in an area where ample jobs are available.
Debate Round No. 1
KevinL90

Con

Everything changes with time. World happenings, economical scaling, governmental policies, councils and presidents and so fourth. So any event, situation or happening from the past in my defense is completely irrelevant to today's world. I agree with you slightly with some of your claims and statements. This way of "Government Assistance" as of right now is just a temporary fix. What is it ultimately changing in the end? At this present moment all this is doing is allowing people to live comfortably in the situations that they are in. This funding and economy will not last forever the way this country is headed. So then what? When there are tax increases involved, benefits being pulled away and etc. than we will be a lot worse off then we started. It will be a lot more protests, crime, rally's and so fourth with angry citizens that will just blame the government for the problem. You can't overshadow a problem by stamping a temporary solution on it. How about get to the root of it, better the system programming and find a way to elevate it. Make government assistance a lot more strict in protocol. There are people who really are in desperate need of finances and benefits. Then there's the citizens who are abusing the government. Everyday there's a citizen who has no need for food stamps but apply anyway, working their way around the system. There are people who quit their jobs, and immediately resort to unemployment without keeping the search for employment intended. There are woman giving birth to new babies each and every day without being financially stable, which results to them subjecting themselves to government assistance. I believe us as citizens just have to do a lot better with our own well-being and together we can make a change in our u.s economy and finances as a country. I think it's ignorant and very far-fetched. The incompetency to sit and label past events on today's society in ridiculous. What ever happened to analyze, problem and solution. The problem first and foremost is we as a country are basically giving away millions if not billions of dollars that we technically speaking do not even have to begin with. There's way too many low income citizens and homeless people in the country to try and give each and every one funding. Try coming up with an intermediate long term solution to destroy poverty as a whole, but giving them a stipend or a check each month to remain in the same situation is outlandish. Build more job programs, build more educational programs, find the root of it all not throw sugar on bread and tell me it's butter. This claim is far from over-exaggerated. It's valid, proven and a standing fact. Making the automatic assumption that the people who are using government assistance are using it in a climate of economic expansion or in an area where ample jobs are available without knowing is ignorant. Assumptions are not good means to running a government. You don't run countries behind assumptions, you run them by effectively knowing and having productive stability behind the actions you make.
Juwar74

Pro

Let's look at the actual numbers of so-called abuse of welfare recipients. The first thing to acknowledge is that most people who receive some forms of welfare benefits are the "working poor". These are people who actually have jobs, but don't make enough to support the basics. For example, those who receive food stamps or belong to the federal SNAP program, 41% of recipients had jobs.

According to the latest report from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, they noted that almost 50% of SNAP families with children are working families, and also continued:

"Over the last two decades, large shares of SNAP households have become working households. In 1989, 42 percent of all SNAP households received cash welfare benefits and only 20 percent had earned income. By 2010, over three times as many SNAP households worked as relied solely on welfare benefits for their income.

Despite the large jump in unemployment during the recession, the share of SNAP families with earnings has continued to increase in recent years. This suggests that for a growing share of the nation's workers, having a job has not been enough to keep them out of poverty." [CBPP, 7/9/12]

But the most interesting fact is that most recipients of welfare benefits are children and senior citizens. Children can't work until they are of age, and senior citizens are unable to work because of their age. Children and senior citizens also qualify for free health care.

Senior citizens who didn't make enough for retirement, or loss their jobs through outsourcing have no choice but to apply for government assistance. It is a myth, and a very hyped-up one during political campaigns and media, that the system is being abused by lazy single mothers with children. Working-age women make up 28%, and working-age men make up 17% for a total of 45%. The rest are children and the elderly.

Job training and education may be good ideas, and sound good on the campaign trail. But if after job training and education and there are still no living wage jobs, then such endeavors are minimal at best.

Lastly, according to the U.S. Department of Labor statistics website, based on the 2012 IPIA three-Year average data report, fraud in welfare benefits accounted for only 2.67% of all cases.

So, although there is abuse in any system, the small numbers of abuse shouldn't be the catalyst to deprive millions of children and seniors from a situation they can't control, which is poverty.
Debate Round No. 2
KevinL90

Con

I would like to start off by saying I have just conducted my own very distinctive and extensive research on your numbers and statistics. And I do not find them to be valid, hold any form of evidence and credentials. And my point still stands justified and has not been disproved. Your statements to me are simply excuses rather than answers of solution. You're responses are contradictory in saying Sure of course this government assistance is being over used, but they have a good enough reason. Every measure can count and make a change. So you don't hold the authority, knowledge or information to know exactly what form of program or measures can be taken to help the situation of poverty move in a more effective direction. Snap to health org reported that as of June 2014, 46.5 million persons were participating in SNAP. Barack Obama released a statement at a Washington D.C board conference in August 2014 stating that each month those numbers are drastically soaring and it's hard to keep up with the amount of people seeking eligibility for these programs. There's only 49% of Snap participants being children, and clearly reasoning being is because of anything from simply being born requiring WIC programs and etc, childcare, and more. Elderly individuals hold a higher percentage for various reasonings but Snap itself is one government assistance program in it's own. There's more programs than just this one. So you're not looking at the whole picture of the term "GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE". 109,631,000 Americans lived in households that received benefits from one or more federally funded "means-tested programs" " also known as welfare " as of the fourth quarter of 2012, according to data released Tuesday by the Census Bureau. It is now early 2015 and this numbers have increased, so my question is if these programs have been supplied for all these years, why is poverty actually taking a turn for the worst? It seems to me this isn't helping turn the situation around at all. In fact, like I stated before people use these programs and become comfortable in poverty. Try a new measure, otherwise allow government funds to be abused and see no change. Soon, there will be no funds, then who will we blame? Snap and foodstamps is just one problem. Unemployment, Financial Aid assistance and much more is involved as well. Free money to the citizens which will soon become a bigger problem than ever. I rest my case.
Juwar74

Pro

Juwar74 forfeited this round.
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