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PeriodicPatriot
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lottie_lolly
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UJ (Union J- Con) v.s. 1D (One Direction- Pro)

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 1/11/2014 Category: Music
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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PeriodicPatriot

Con

First round is acceptance.
Girls from 14- 17 years of age can accept this debate
No forfeits or concessions
Have fun (Don't be so serious)

Honestly, I like both acts, but I like Union J more.


Also, please argue in round one while accepting, so I can rubut and argue back. Thanks and I hope to have a good and interesting debate.
lottie_lolly

Pro

hi i am Lottie, please bare with me this is my first debate!
I like union J but one direction just rule! Their songs are so catchy my older sister claims she doesn't like one direction when she singing around the house, 'lets go crazy crazy crazy till we see the sun'! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also their movie is hilarious!
They got further in the x factor than union J ever did!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
I think that one direction have more fans than union J
one direction have a movie
and union J don't!
so all i can say is if you are a one direction supporter then you rule!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Debate Round No. 1
PeriodicPatriot

Con

Hello, Lollie, thanks for accepting. Here are some rebuttals:

"one direction have a movie"

Yes, you are right. They do have a movie. So does Justin Bieber. But both of these acts do it because they either want to get famous so bad or they just want attention. Union J don't do a movie, but I'm glad they didn't because I like them for the music. One of their songs, Carry You, has been on Kick-A**

'lets go crazy crazy crazy till we see the sun'

I have something to point out, but you will hear it in my argument.

'Their songs are so catchy my older sister claims she doesn't like one direction'

So do Union J.

Ok, enough of my rebuttals. Now on to my argument.

Originality

I have been reading news online about One Direction's music. There were ones about 1D ripping off songs from other bands. Best song ever was ripped off by The Who's Baba O'Riley because of the introduction, Live While We're Young was ripped off by The Clash's Should I stay or Should I Go because of the opening riff, and Midnight Memories was ripped off by Def Leppard's Pour Some Sugar On Me. Directioners would be paying attention to the music and not hear the similarities. I am a careful listener. Union J, however, don't playgarise songs. On YouTube, I look at the comments and I have seen things like 'that's Austin Mahone's song' and stuff like that, but the JCats (what UJ's fans are called. Honestly, I do not know why) know that Jason Derulo wrote the song for Union J.

The fan reactions

According to comments on YouTube and other sites, Believers and Directioners are more you know with their fans than TWFanmily and JCats. I honestly have nothing to say about this one.


Is it the members we have to worry about?

I like how Union J are more grown up, which is a good quality for a good boy band. Honestly, I don't have anything to say about 1D. I really don't like Harry Styles. My Dad doesn't either, and so does Mark Wahlberg and this blogger. Mark Wahlberg wants to 'beat the pr*** out of Harry Styles (Sorry for using cuss word, but they are Mark's words, not mine. Often times, 1D are compared to Union J, which I do not like people doing. Fans compare Harry with George and other things.

That is it about my arguments. The rounds will go in this order:

R2: Do the same format as I did
R3 & R4: Comparing songs
R5: Conclusion
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Sources:

http://www.unrealitytv.co.uk...
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk...
http://www.nowmagazine.co.uk...

And 2 videos

http://m.youtube.com...

http://m.youtube.com...

lottie_lolly

Pro

first of all my name is not lollie!
that has been the worst misspell of my name!
anyway my real name is of course not lottie but you don't really need to know what it is.
hello whatever your name is.
okay Justin Bieber may have a movie it still doesn't mean that his music is good!
i can tell that you properly know how to debate!
so i might lose this debate!
okay one direction may rip people off but its because their music is just to good!
yes okay midnight memories may be a rip off.
you were also saying all these things about harry styles, now people are very different and they like different people for example i don't like Justin Bieber were as lots of other people, do you get were i am coming from?
one direction have so many fans from so many different places! its amazing!
one direction have something called fun!
i know its amazing!
i think one direction try to have a life aswell were as i think union j don't
thanks for putting up the links!
Debate Round No. 2
PeriodicPatriot

Con

'okay one direction may rip people off but its because their music is just to good!yes okay midnight memories may be a rip off.'

From reading that sentence, that's pretty much a concession.

'one direction have so many fans from so many different places! its amazing!'

Please be aware that girls like them for their looks and not for the music. That is why there are fans called 'directionators'.

'one direction have something called fun!'

So do Union J. Union J have Challenge Union J on YouTube. I don't think 1D do those things like Union J.

That is it. Now, we will compare songs.

Rock me (1D)

I heard of this song before. My friends sing it. I listen to it on YouTube. People think it's great, and they know it's a good song, too, but do you want to know what they don't know?: The meaning of the song. According to news and Wikipedia, the song 'Rock me' means sex. You don't hear it in the lyrics, but 1D are trying to hide lyrics. Just like they hide their bad boy image. First, look at the lyrics (I will use it as a source, but I will copy and paste it here):



Do you remember summer '09?Wanna go back there every night,Just can't lie, was the best time of my life,Lying on the beach as the sun blew out,Playing this guitar by the fire too loud,Oh my, my, they could never shut us down

I used to think that I was better alone,Why did I ever wanna let you go?Under the moonlight as we stared at the sea,The words you whispered I will always believe
I want you to rock me, rock me, rock me, yeah,I want you to rock me, rock me, rock me, yeah,I want you to hit the pedal, heavy metal, show me you careI want you to rock me, rock me, rock me, yeah

Yeah, we were together summer '09,Wanna roll back like pressing rewind,You were mine and we never said goodbye

I used to think that I was better alone (better alone),Why did I ever wanna let you go? (let you go),Under the moonlight as we stared at the sea (stared at the sea),The words you whispered I will always believe
I want you to rock me, rock me, rock me, yeahI want you to rock me, rock me, rock me, yeahI want you to hit the pedal, heavy metal, show me you careI want you to rock me, rock me, rock me, yeah

R-O-C-K me again,R-O-C-K me again,R-O-C-K me again, yeahI want you to R-O-C-K me again,R-O-C-K me again,R-O-C-K me again, yeah
I want you to rock me, rock me, rock me, yeahI want you to rock me, rock me, rock me, yeahI want you to hit the pedal, heavy metal, show me you careI want you to rock me, rock me, rock me, yeah
I want you to rock me, rock me, rock me, yeahI want you to rock me, rock me, rock me, yeahI want you to hit the pedal, heavy metal, show me you careI want you to rock me, rock me, rock me, yeah
Examining the lyrics, there is one part that has a sexual part:

'I want you to rock me, rock me, rock me, yeah
I want you to rock me, rock me, rock me, yeah
I want you to hit the pedal, heavy metal, show me you care
I want you to rock me, rock me, rock me, yeah'

The part means that some boy and girl are having sex. But look here:

'I want you to hit the pedal, heavy metal, show me you care'

I have nothing to say, but Union J don't write songs like these do they. Now, on to Union J.



Loving You is easy (Union J)

There are people, mostly girls who are Mahomies, had claim that it was Austin's song, but it was not. Jason Derulo wrote the song for UJ. It was a certified video and is on VEVO. There is nothing else.



Source:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org...(One_Direction_song)
www.azlyrics.com/lyrics//.html

And 2 videos



lottie_lolly

Pro

lottie_lolly forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
PeriodicPatriot

Con

You haven't showed proof for your arguments. You also forfeited, and you have conceded my arguements. Since you however didn't argue, I will NOT do rebuttals. Still, my points still stand valid.

Beautiful Life (Union J)

Honestly, this is the most inspiring song ever. Sometimes it makes me cry, and I think of that song almost everyday. Look at the lyrics:

She sees the world through TV screens
All of her friends in magazines
But everyday she lives a broken dream, yeah
Making her own reality
There's lots of make-up on her face
To cover up an empty space
But there's a lot behind those big blue eyes
She just don't realize
Everybody's gone and lost their mind
It's just the days we live in
Most of the time
Get up out the dark
Open up your eyes
You'll discover there's a world outside (world outside...)
To fix a broken heart
You have to try
Pick it up, pick it up
It's a beautiful life
Beautiful life, beautiful life
It's a beautiful life, beautiful life.
He got his fortune on the plate
But all that money won't change fate
He's got 6 zeroes but no one to share it with
No friends, no girl, no one in the world
Everybody's gone and lost their mind
It's just the days we live in
Most of the time, yeah
Get up out the dark (get up out the dark)
Open up your eyes
You'll discover there's a world outside
To fix a broken heart (to fix a broken heart)
You have to try
Pick it up, pick it up
It's a beautiful life
Beautiful life, beautiful life.
It's a beautiful life, beautiful life.
We are not so different, you and I
Cause everybody's got a place to hide
But it's just the things we live in, hmm
Most of the time
Get up out the dark (get up out the dark) open up your eyes
You'll discover there's a world outside (there's a world outside)
To fix a broken heart (to fix a broken heart)
You have to try
Pick it up, pick it up
It's a beautiful life
Beautiful life, beautiful life

According to Digital Spy, they gave it five stars, saying "As such, their latest single 'Beautiful Life', which encourages people to live life to the fullest - including one insecure girl who lives a 'broken dream' and spades on the make-up 'to cover up an empty space' - feels a touch on the dated side. The jaunty guitar riff, singalong lyrics and arms-aloft chorus are all present and correct, but what is sorely lacking is a dose of youthful charm." . I argee with them. From the lyrics, it is about a insecure girl. Sometimes I wish One Direction could stop focusing about love and girls and have inspirational songs like this. Even the music video for this was good. Let's carry on, shall we?




Diana (One Direction)

As for Beutiful Life, Diana focus on not having suicidal needs. Look at the lyrics:

(Yeah, yeah, yeah)
Diana
(Yeah, yeah, yeah)
[Liam:]
The front pages are your pictures,
They make you look so small,
How could someone not miss you at all?
(Oh-ah-oh)
[Harry:]
I never would mistreat ya,
Oh I'm not a criminal,
I speak a different language but I still hear your call.
[All:]
Diana,
Let me be the one to light a fire inside those eyes,
You've been lonely,
You don't even know me,
But I can feel you crying,
Diana,
Let me be the one to lift your heart up and save your life,
I don't think you even realize baby you'd be saving mine.
(Oh-oh)
[Zayn:]
Diana
[Niall:]
It's only been four months but,
You've fallen down so far,
How could someone mislead you at all?
(Oh-ah-oh)
[Louis:]
I wanna reach out for ya,
I wanna break these walls,
I speak a different language but I still hear you call.
[All:]
Diana,
Let me be the one to light a fire inside those eyes,
You've been lonely,
You don't even know me,
But I can feel you crying,
Diana,
Let me be the one to lift your heart up and save your life,
I don't think you even realize baby you'd be saving mine.
[Harry:]
We all need something,
This can't be over now,
If I could hold you,
Swear I'd never put you down.
[All:]
Diana,
Let me be the one to light a fire inside those eyes,
You've been lonely,
You don't even know me,
But I can feel you crying,
Diana,
Let me be the one to lift your heart up and save your life,
I don't think you even realize baby you'd be saving mine.
(Oh-ah-oh)
Diana,
(Oh-ah-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh)
Diana,
Baby you'd be saving mine,
(Oh-ah-oh)
Diana,
(Oh-ah-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh)
Diana,
Baby you'd be saving mine.


I can't tell what this is about, and I have not yet listen to the song (I just heard of it). According to Perez Hilton, Louis Tomlinson revealed, "We were actually working with a few different names for the chorus, and the top name originally was Joanna, which is actually quite close to my mum's name, and it felt a little weird so we changed it to Diana." . Some friends of mine who knew the song said that Diana was about not having Suicidal needs. I, hoever, do not have proof that this is true. That is all I have to say about this song.





lottie_lolly

Pro

lottie_lolly forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
PeriodicPatriot

Con

Conclusion: Union J is better than One Direction.
lottie_lolly

Pro

lottie_lolly forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by YYW 3 years ago
YYW
I love One Direction, but I'm a gay guy who is the same age (like, within one month of birth) of Louis Tomlinson. So, I can't accept this... regretfully.
Posted by PeriodicPatriot 3 years ago
PeriodicPatriot
I'll make an exception. You did want to accept, right?
Posted by Cheetah 3 years ago
Cheetah
I will get a sex change so i can accept thos debate
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