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tvellalott
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mongeese
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Ultimate Team War: Alcatraz Island

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mongeese
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 7/5/2011 Category: Entertainment
Updated: 5 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 3,216 times Debate No: 17406
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tvellalott

Pro

INTRODUCTION
This is Ultimate Team War. Each debater must assemble a team of five characters, and the teams will then fight to the death(ish). Since we cannot have an actual real-life battle, each debater will explain why their team is superior during this debate.

This battle will take place on Alcatraz island off the coast of San Francisco.
Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org...
Map: http://i51.tinypic.com...

DEFINITIONS
Team leader: One of the debaters here, i.e. me or my opponent
Team member: One of the five chosen warriors.
Team Pro: My team.
Team Con: My opponent's team.

RULES
  1. The fight is to take place on Alcatraz Island. The temperature is 25 degrees Celcius, with clear skies and no oncoming weather conditions. The time is noon, with the Sun directly overhead. The island is completely abandoned except for each player’s team.
  2. The furthest bounds one may leave the island is 1.5km from the closest edge, 1.5 into the air or 1.5km underground. Ocean creature may travel as deep as they like, but cannot exceed the 1.5km from shore rule. Anyone who leaves this boundary for more than a few seconds is subject to immediate disqualification.
  3. There will be no demi-god characters that are capable of travelling at ridiculous speeds; shattering any barriers in their way; sustaining little damage to themselves and wiping out anything (like Superman or Sentry, or anything more powerful than that.) Nor will there be any unlimited powers that cannot be resisted. If you're in doubt, just ask.
  4. Other illegal powers include time travel and mind control (taking over an opposing character).
  5. Any team member must be either real or, if fictional, verifiably existent. No characters may be made up for the purpose of this debate.
  6. In the case of a fictional character, the team member's abilities must be according to a specific canon chosen by the team leader.
  7. Every character has only the equipment that they generally have in the specified canon.
  8. Team members are absolutely loyal to the team leader. All team members are still subjected to their own emotions, however.
  9. The team leader may not directly participate in the competition, but may only facilitate. The role of the team leader is to explain what the team would do and why it would win against the opposing team.
  10. Neither team can have a member in common. If one team leader chooses a team member, the other team cannot have that character.
  11. A team wins when all members of an opposing team are dead, unconscious, or essentially unusable. Characters who cannot be dead, unconscious, or unusable are not allowed.
  12. Neither debater may create new arguments and plans after Round 3; they may only create new counter-arguments and clarify old arguments. In Round 5, CON may not produce new counter-arguments, except to counter PRO's new counter-arguments or clarifications.
  13. The winning team automatically receives Arguments and Sources. Conduct, in addition to regular things, goes to the person who follows the rules most effectively. Please remember this rule.

Players must specify their teams starting location on the above map upon revealing its members.

Round 1: Rule specifications; PRO has informed Puck of his five chosen team members, as well as their locations. CON chooses five team members as well, and informs Puck. If there are no matches in team members, CON posts those five team members, as well as their locations. Otherwise, he chooses a substitute team member.

Round 2: PRO unveils his five team members and their positions, than proceeds to explain how his team would win. CON then responds with a counter-strategy.

Round 3, 4, 5: Arguments and rebuttals. No new plans may be made after Round 3. CON may not present any new arguments during round 5, since PRO has no chance to rebutt them.

Oh, and thanks to MTGandP for coming up with the entire concept of Ultimate Team War, and to Puck for agreeing to be the mediator!
mongeese

Con

Okay! Here's my team:

1. Mewtwo (anime)

Mewtwo is a powerful Psychic-type Pokemon, considered to be one of the most powerful Pokemon ever.

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net...(anime)

He starts atop the Water Tower.

2. Harry Potter (books)

Harry, the Boy Who Lived and the Chosen One, became a powerful Auror for the Ministry of Magic.

http://harrypotter.wikia.com...

He starts in the Recreation Yard.

3. Dark Magician (anime)

The ultimate wizard in terms of attack and defense, actually the fusion of Egypt's most powerful magician and his own ka. Many of his spells were made into trading cards.

http://yugioh.wikia.com...

He starts on the roof of the Cellhouse.

4. Link (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)

This is the Hero of Time in his adult form, armed with the Master Sword, Ocarina of Time, and a slew of other items. He also posseses the Triforce of Courage.

http://zelda.wikia.com...

He starts on the roof of the Cellhouse.

5. Kyogre (anime)

Kyogre is a mythical Pokemon with the power to summon rain heavy enough to expand the oceans.

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net...(Pok%C3%A9mon)

It starts 100 meters west of the New Industries Building, 10 meters below the surface of the water.

Well, tvellalot, let's see your team! Good luck!
Debate Round No. 1
tvellalott

Pro

Unfortunately, I won't be able to complete this battle. Sorry mongeese...
This was my team anyway:

TV's TEAM
01) The Invisible Girl (Comics, Fantastic Four)
Abilities: Can turn invisible, can produce powerful forcefields.

02) T-X (Movie, Teminator 3: Rise of the Machines)
Abilities: Futuristic onboard weaponry, shape-shifting, can hack and control machinary.

03) Scorpion (Game, Mortal Kombat)
Abilities: Limited teleportation, spear, hell-fire manipulation

04) Nightcrawler (Comics, X-Men)
Abilities: Teleportation, shadow camouflage, spider-like grip on hand & feet, enhanced agility and flexibiliy.

05) Cris Johnson (Movie, Next)
Ability: Can see two minutes into the future.

Since I have nothing which can beat your ocean pokemon thing, you would have probably won.
I didn't learn, even after you've used the environment against me multiple times. >_<

Cheers for the good times.
mongeese

Con

Sadly, my opponent has left this site. He was a worthy opponent.
Debate Round No. 2
tvellalott

Pro

tvellalott forfeited this round.
mongeese

Con

Good-bye, tvellalott.
Debate Round No. 3
tvellalott

Pro

tvellalott forfeited this round.
mongeese

Con

This round also defaults, then.
Debate Round No. 4
tvellalott

Pro

tvellalott forfeited this round.
mongeese

Con

I guess that's all.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by mongeese 5 years ago
mongeese
But given a choice between two gruops, which one would they attack? How effective are various distractions? We'd have to cite some specific zombie source for how zombies behave.
Posted by tvellalott 5 years ago
tvellalott
Well they'll try and attack and eat us of course.
Posted by mongeese 5 years ago
mongeese
That could be good, although we'd have to decide exactly how the zombies would react to the characters.
Posted by tvellalott 5 years ago
tvellalott
Maikuru, I once again didn't take advantage of the environment we were playing in. I would love to complete this debate, but I'd like to choose a place where environment isn't an issue. I'm thinking an abandoned city during a zombie apocalypse. Might be interesting, no?
Posted by Maikuru 5 years ago
Maikuru
Now that both debaters are back on the site, I request that this debate be completed! I am very excited about seeing T-X and Cris Johnson in play.
Posted by Maikuru 5 years ago
Maikuru
This is unfortunate. I would have really enjoyed seeing these characters pitted against each other.
Posted by mongeese 5 years ago
mongeese
So why the reason to drop out?
Posted by mongeese 5 years ago
mongeese
That analysis assumes an immediate fight. If the wizard has the chance to make himself invisible before the fight ever begins, his chance of victory goes up tremendously. Harry is also better at offensive and defensive magic than the average wizard.
Posted by tvellalott 5 years ago
tvellalott
mongeese likes using him.
Posted by Thaddeus 5 years ago
Thaddeus
Why is H-piddy used so much? J.K. Rowling herself said, that in a fight between a wizard and a muggle with a shotgun, the muggle would normally win.
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Reasons for voting decision: I was quite interested in seeing how tvellatot's team would combat mongeese's...But tvellatot's forfeits left the debate in a massive landslide to Con...
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Reasons for voting decision: Triple forfeit.
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Reasons for voting decision: Multiple forfeits by Pro forces a vote in favor of Con.