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Ultimately, Everybody Is Even

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Started: 7/4/2017 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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holla1755

Pro

Stephen Hawking is one of the best physicists alive, but he has a shortcoming, his amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS), "Steven Hawking," Wikipedia, https://en.wikipedia.org..., visited Jul. 4, 2017. Jesus Christ is perhaps the most popular person over the last 2,500 years, yet he was disliked by those in power and painfully crucified. It seems that every time somebody becomes better than another person, that person ends up getting pushed back so that the two people are ultimately even. No person ultimately is better or worse than any other person.
onlytwin

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There are many ways to gauge and potentially measure equality. By every metric everyone is unequal. From amount of performance at a job, to ability to retain and form new ideas, and health everyone is unequal. Certain metrics may align such as performance at a job and meet at an equal endpoint. However, there are too many aspects to an individual for consider people equal. Consider Bill Gates and a heroin addict. Bill Gates has clearly, measurably, improved the human condition. It is possible these two individuals may meet at an equal endpoint by certain metric(s) however they are different. This is a result of biology. If we were all robots many metrics would be equal.
Debate Round No. 1
holla1755

Pro

I agree there are many ways to gauge and potentially measure equality. Nevertheless, there does seem to be a metric of evenness from whence I am coming. For example, when a person murders or badly assaults and beats another person, there seems to be a sense of evenness that is used to help justify getting back at the first person by punishing him or her. Sometimes organizations of criminal justice involve balance scales in their seals, and Lady Justice is known for holding up balance scales. "Lady Justice," Wikipedia, https://en.wikipedia.org..., visited Jul. 4, 2017. The balance scales suggest some sort of metric of social evenness. It is this social evenness, or something similar to it, to which I am referring when I claim that ultimately, everybody is even. There seems to be a psychological aspect to the evenness.

You mentioned Bill Gates. Steve Jobs got cancer and died young. "Steve Jobs," Wikipedia, https://en.wikipedia.org..., visited Jul. 4, 2017.
onlytwin

Con

As said previously, there are many ways to gauge equality. You are not being clear which aspect you would like to discuss. You talk about how murder is seen as a method to gain equality but fail to give more context so it is unclear why that increases ones equality.
Debate Round No. 2
holla1755

Pro

I suppose I would like to instigate that ultimately, everybody is even in the social sense of evenness. I don't like using the word "equality" here. It is obvious we are not all equal in the technical, mathematical, and logical sense of "equal." I prefer to use the word "even."

Suppose a person p murders another person q. At the time of the murder, p murders to become better than q. But this superiority is only temporary. It is supposedly completely canceled out when p has been legally prosecuted and completely punished for p's crime. So ultimately, p and q are even.
onlytwin

Con

Your definition is still vague and a solid point hasn't been made as to what we are debating. In your situation there is little context still. Socially speaking, generally if you murder someone you are very low on the scale of social "even-ness" so this does not hold up. Things don't cancel out out in real life. Even after people die some are remembered for ages like George Washington and most are forgotten soon after their death.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by onlytwin 1 year ago
onlytwin
No clear point was made, I am still unsure of what we even debated. "social even-ness"? All sources were stunningly irrelevant for example holla1755 sited Steve Jobs Wikipedia page for some reason. Not a good debate. Be clear about what youre talking about in your description
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