The Instigator
Prof.Pingas
Pro (for)
The Contender
SJM
Con (against)

Undertale is brilliant.

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Started: 7/17/2016 Category: Games
Updated: 7 months ago Status: Debating Period
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Prof.Pingas

Pro

This is a debate on the brilliance of Undertale. Hopefully the voters will be sensible and vote properly. The opponent will go first.
SJM

Con

Undertale, the game itself is not brilliant if it's programmed to do what it does since all it is is following coded directions with no struggle because the inanimate object isn't capable of feeling and a mind.
Debate Round No. 1
Prof.Pingas

Pro

However, the developer Toby Fox coded the game so it reacts to any situation. It knows if you do pretty much anything! Therefore, the game is brilliant because it was programmed to be.
SJM

Con

An object can't be programmed to be brilliant because it lacks the mind, even if the coding is really complex, because a code does not have free decision making, they are programmed to make certain decisions under certain circumstances. For example, undertale starts off the exact same way with the story line. And yes undertale may respond to almost any situation, but that doesn't mean it's brilliant since it depends on the flexibility of the response to every situation, if they respond the same way to every situation, then it's not brilliant, especially since it can't be. My opponent has not refuted my mind argument, and I'm not sure if pro said Toby Fox developed it and since he has a mind the game can be brilliant, but that has nothing to do with the game itself being brilliant.
Debate Round No. 2
Prof.Pingas

Pro

However, it is shown that code can be used to create AI that can think for themselves. Therefore, it can happen and Undertale was programmed impeccably enough to simulate this.
SJM

Con

A simulation is not same as actually thinking with a mind. An airplane simulator lacks the exact things to make it a mind. And no, code has not been shown to make a computer to think for itself, so extend everything.
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Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by PowerPikachu21 6 months ago
PowerPikachu21
Pro could have said that Undertale makes you feel, and presented YouTubers' reactions to back it up. However, the debate seems to solely be about how the characters know what you did in the past save files.

SJM's argument is that it's a game, therefore isn't an actual person, and isn't really thinking, just following protocol. Sure, it isn't the mind, but the fact that the game "reacts" makes Undertale pretty cool.

Undertale is a fascinating game, since it responds to practically every thing you do. You can spare everyone, kill everyone, date some characters... but they aren't real people, and I can see that. The debate would've been easier to judge had you brought up more points, such as morality, memorable characters, and creativity for the battle system. It's a tough one, but I guess SJM has slightly better arguments.
Posted by SJM 7 months ago
SJM
@Vict0rian lol ok "agender" ;)
Posted by Vict0rian 7 months ago
Vict0rian
@SJM Way to kill the debate... Don't take things so literally :/
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