The Instigator
migmag
Pro (for)
The Contender
stschiffman
Con (against)

Unions need to be made MUCH easier to form

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 7/13/2016 Category: Politics
Updated: 7 months ago Status: Debating Period
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migmag

Pro

Currently EVERY employer in the country does EVERYTHING they can in their power to STOP their employees from forming Unions.
stschiffman

Con

Unions hurt the job market. Especially teacher's unions, those should be completely abolished.
Debate Round No. 1
migmag

Pro

Of course your WRONG! They HELP employees by getting them BETTER pay BETTER benefits and BETTER JOB SECURITY
stschiffman

Con

Unions get more workers fired and less hired. When they force employers to give them higher wages and benefits, the end result is the employers being forced to give them less hours, lay off more, and hire less.
Contrary to what Bernie Sanders wants you to believe, not all employers are evil vampires sucking on the system. A lot of employers are just out there trying to run their business the best they can, and when unions interfere, that hurts both the employer and employee.
More power to unions = a worse economy for everyone
Debate Round No. 2
migmag

Pro

You CANT have it BOTH ways. Either Unions are GOOD for employees or BAD, you don' get both. USUALLY the Republican talking point is that Unions are SO good to employees that it is IMPOSSIBLE to FIRE someone in a Union. First of all, i WISH that were the case, because employees NEED protection from their employers. I've worked in HR for McDonald's, Walmart, Coca Cola,, Hewlett Packard, AT & T, United Health and they ALL had the SAME entry level employee ABUSIVE behavior towards those at that bottom of the ladder
stschiffman

Con

You're right, you can't have it both ways. In fact, there's only one way you can have it; bad. Bad for the job market as a whole, and bad for the employers.
If you start at the bottom, of course you're not going to get special treatment. But that's the whole point of working, so that you can move up the ladder, not so you can just be handed benefits on a silver platter.

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Debate Round No. 3
migmag

Pro

Guess what HURTS MORE? Getting FIVE to 9$/hour with NO benefits and CONSTANT threats of job loss or joining a UNION and getting GREAT pay and GREAT benefits?
stschiffman

Con

You don't seem to understand that when union demands go up. so does unemployment. It's either a few people make a good wage, or one man makes a great wage and all his friends are out on the streets begging for food.
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Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by migmag 7 months ago
migmag
EVERYTHING I say is from MANY YEARS of HR, PAYROLL, BENEFITS, and EMPLOYEE RELATIONS experience. I KNOW ALL of the rules and policies regarding PAY and PROMOTIONS and PERKS and BENEFITS. They HUGELY FAVOR the employees that are farther up the ladder, the HIGHER your position the BETTER benefits in EVERY Way. I don't know people getting BETTER PAY if you are higher up to corporate ladder, but EVERYONE NEEDS PAID TIME OFF and ALL of the other BENEFITS
Posted by dbruce35 7 months ago
dbruce35
Migmag's form of debating is typically "liberal". Shouting down anyone who disagrees, but without any facts to back it up. It's opinion arguing...not debating.
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