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libertarian
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cheezhero
Con (against)
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United States federal government should continue allowing abortions for the 1st and 2nd trimesters.

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 5/26/2008 Category: Politics
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
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libertarian

Pro

+++ Some women are known to be prone to death before the birth. Certain women are not healthy enough to give birth. These women will die without abortion. What if a woman or girl you loved, your mother, or girlfriend, got pregnant and you knew she would die when she had the baby. Abortion laws turn due dates into death dates.

+++ Abortion laws are unconstitutional and unhealthy women to kill themselves for the sake of a child that nobody knows or loves, unlike the woman. Many Supreme Court justices based the Row vs. Wade vote on this.

+++ A woman who was RAPED is already brutally victimized. Why would you force her to have an unwanted child? That is immoral. And some of these women are not healthy enough to give birth. If they're lucky enough to survive the rape, they're sure to die during child birth.

+++ Science proves that a baby cannot think or feel until the third trimester (about 26 weeks). It's not a life your destroying, it's a woman's life you're saving.
http://www.health.state.mn.us......: Minnesota Health Dept.
http://www.nytimes.com......: New York Times
Neither of my sites are biased. Mine are medical.

+++ The United States is "for the people, by the people." Give them their freedoms to live their lives the way they want. For the people. Not for the embryos.

+++ The Constitution uses the word not to restrict the government 22 times! The founding fathers would be disgraced by pro-lifers.

+++ During the era of abortion bans, women would shove hangars down themselves. Illegal abortions are unsafe. Often, the women die and the children. And if the woman is caught getting an abortion the baby will have a mother who is in prison! Illegal abortions kill the mother and embryos. Legal abortions suck the embryo.

+++ God does not oppose abortion. God opposes murder! Abortion is not murder! Murdering is defined as a malicious killing of another human. Abortion is not malicious, not toward a human. God, obviously, wants a mother to love her child so she has to suffer with it for nine months. This is why you see a lot more fathers abandoning children than mothers. Forcing a woman to have a child is against God's plan. My mother, a Christian, got an abortion as a teenager. She knows that if she would have had that child without wanting to, she would have neglected it. God agrees. God supports abortion.

+++ You cannot force the Christian religion on all Americans. Abortion is not immoral. Abortion is logically beneficial. Christian conservatives are the ones opposing abortion for false religious reasons. We have the freedom religion. Religious conservatives are destroying this country.

Thank you for the debate. I hope you guys vote PRO.
cheezhero

Con

okee doke. i do agree with the statement that if a woman is going to die during childbirth, the child should be aborted, but i will have to disagree with your argument that because no one loves the baby, it doesnt matter what its fate happens to be. in that case, if i find some hobo that no one loves, morally, i could stab it, blow it up, anything i want, right. your arguments are pretty sound over all, so i think that i have more of a problem with infanticide.

n�fan�ti�cide Audio Help [in-fan-tuh-sahyd] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1.the act of killing an infant.
2.the practice of killing newborn infants.
3.a person who kills an infant.
[Origin: 1650–60; (def. 1) < LL infanticīdium; (def. 2) < LL infanticīda. See infant, -i-, -cide]

—Related forms
in�fan�ti�cid�al, adjective
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If you were raped, i think, constitutionally, you should be given the choice of abortion, but I wish gov't would strongly advertise having the baby, and giving it to families that are unable to have children. Therefore, that infant has a chance of having a better life. You dont know the limits of humanity, and i think the value of a human life is worth so much more than you're making it in your argument.
Debate Round No. 1
libertarian

Pro

+++ Well. Maybe somebody does love the baby. Maybe not. That's not what this debate is about.

+++ You cannot kill hobos, because the hobo will not be an emotional and financial leech for 18 years of your life. And a hobo is a person.

+++ We have seen your definition of infanticide. However, abortion is sucking out of embryos, not killing infants.
infant: A child in the earliest period of life, especially before he or she can walk.
Just in case, a child is:
1. A person between birth and puberty.
2. A person who has not attained maturity or the age of legal majority.

Opponent>>> I wish gov't would strongly advertise having the baby, and giving it to families that are unable to have children.
+++ I agree. If the woman wants to give up the baby, this is good. But no woman should be forced by her government to have a child.

+++ Here are some points of mine you never rebutted and therefore I should win upon unless you concede them or rebut them in the future:

*** Science proves that a baby cannot think or feel until the third trimester (about 26 weeks). It's not a life your destroying, it's a woman's life you're saving.
http://www.health.state.mn.us.........: Minnesota Health Dept.
http://www.nytimes.com.........: New York Times
Neither of my sites are biased. Mine are medical.

*** Abortion laws are unconstitutional because they limit freedom and take lives of unhealthy women.

*** The United States is "for the people, by the people." Give them their freedoms to live their lives the way they want. For the people. Not for the embryos. The Constitution uses the word not to restrict the government 22 times! The founding fathers would be disgraced by pro-lifers.

*** During the era of abortion bans, women would shove hangars down themselves. Illegal abortions are unsafe. Often, the women die and the children. And if the woman is caught getting an abortion the baby will have a mother who is in prison! Illegal abortions kill the mother and embryos. Legal abortions suck the embryo.

+++ You've conceited two of my main points: forced death of the mother and rape. However, these are only a small number of women at abortion clinics. No abortion clinic can financially survive with just this small percentage of clients. You have to let anyone use this service before the first 26 weeks or else raped women will have nowhere to have an abortion because abortion clinics will all go out of business. And those unhealthy women who will die without abortion will be doomed.

There is no life until 26 weeks into the fetushood. The child cannot think, hear, feel, and has no idea it will soon experience life. It is something in the woman's body without feelings, thoughts or life, period. It is the woman's choice of what to do with her body and no government should be so tyrannical as to force her to have an unwanted child or to get an illegal abortion, which is likely to kill her and the baby.
cheezhero

Con

i clearly said i think if a woman is raped she should be given a choice. For people that actually think a human life, no matter at what stage, could accomplish amazing things, the thought of a whore having unprotected sex with every guy she meets, and just aborting something which has the ability to do so much greatness, it's pretty sad. i personally think that abortion will lead to infanticide, which will lead to a cleansing of human beings.For example, In the future im afraid that if a woman has a baby with blue eyes, instead of, i dont know, green eyes, she'll just give up her "fetus" and try again and again. You can always give the constitutional, blah blah, limiting of freedoms, crap speech, but that doesnt make your arguments morally correct.

again, i think if a woman is raped,in all politically correctedness, she should be able to have an abortion.

but, i dont think its right, my reason being that i feel it will lead to something much worse, that you might not support, but, these infanticidophilic people will use your same arguments against you.

And if there is a way to save that life, or prelife, and the mother,i think it should be put in to play in every case.
Debate Round No. 2
libertarian

Pro

Opponent>>> i personally think that abortion will lead to infanticide, which will lead to a cleansing of human beings.For example, In the future im afraid that if a woman has a baby with blue eyes, instead of, i dont know, green eyes, she'll just give up her "fetus" and try again and again.

+++ Well, this might happen but my arguments far outweigh this one small case. And infanticide is impoosible, because it's not an infant until 26 weeks.

Opponent>>> You can always give the constitutional, blah blah, limiting of freedoms, crap speech, but that doesnt make your arguments morally correct.

+++ The Constitution is a fairly important document to me. I do not think it should be trampled all over, Mr. Bush.

My opponent has dropped many of my arguments and his. He cannot win this debate because it would be tremendously unfair for him to rebut the following points or bring up new ones without me ever getting to see his point of view to rebut it. The points conceded are:

*** Science proves that a baby cannot think or feel until the third trimester (about 26 weeks). It's not a life your destroying, it's a woman's life you're saving.
http://www.health.state.mn.us............: Minnesota Health Dept.
http://www.nytimes.com............: New York Times
Neither of my sites are biased. Mine are medical.

*** Abortion laws are unconstitutional because they limit freedom and take lives of unhealthy women.

*** The United States is "for the people, by the people." Give them their freedoms to live their lives the way they want. For the people. Not for the embryos. The Constitution uses the word not to restrict the government 22 times! The founding fathers would be disgraced by pro-lifers.

*** During the era of abortion bans, women would shove hangars down themselves. Illegal abortions are unsafe. Often, the women die and the children. And if the woman is caught getting an abortion the baby will have a mother who is in prison! Illegal abortions kill the mother and embryos. Legal abortions suck the embryo.

*** Science proves that a baby cannot think or feel until the third trimester (about 26 weeks). It's not a life your destroying, it's a woman's life you're saving.
http://www.health.state.mn.us............: Minnesota Health Dept.
http://www.nytimes.com............: New York Times
Neither of my sites are biased. Mine are medical.

*** Abortion laws are unconstitutional because they limit freedom and take lives of unhealthy women.

*** The United States is "for the people, by the people." Give them their freedoms to live their lives the way they want. For the people. Not for the embryos. The Constitution uses the word not to restrict the government 22 times! The founding fathers would be disgraced by pro-lifers.

*** During the era of abortion bans, women would shove hangars down themselves. Illegal abortions are unsafe. Often, the women die and the children. And if the woman is caught getting an abortion the baby will have a mother who is in prison! Illegal abortions kill the mother and embryos. Legal abortions suck the embryo.

*** You've conceited two of my main points: forced death of the mother and rape. However, these are only a small number of women at abortion clinics. No abortion clinic can financially survive with just this small percentage of clients. You have to let anyone use this service before the first 26 weeks or else raped women will have nowhere to have an abortion because abortion clinics will all go out of business. And those unhealthy women who will die without abortion will be doomed.

I deserve to win this debating. I did the much better debating and have the better point. I've responded to all his arguments. He has yet to respond to most of mine.
cheezhero

Con

i wasnt 'trampling' the constitution,but i am trampling the way youre translating it. i dont think our founding fathers would, if ever possible, look into the future and enjoy seeing the fetal products of their hardwork sucked out and utterly destroyed. Du you think they would enjoy that. No, you dont win, because your arguments are.. logical, but incredibly stupid. youre trying to make me look bad by implying that I am somehow against the constitution. i wish you would wake up... If the people seeing this are going to vote according to technicality, you win by far, but if their judging on who actually cares, and who's morally sound. I have a feeling you'd be severely outnumbered in your supporters.

about infanticide, i said that it would be only logical to assume harmless, little, 1st, 2nd, and 3rd trimester abortions would lead to that.

and.. since you want to talk about topicality, you didnt mention 1st or 2nd trimester abortions in ANY of your arguments. Therefore, technically, little to nothing you said means anything... only technically of course.
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Posted by libertarian 8 years ago
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I'm not goiong to report because that's the kind of person I am! But any objective judge knows I got this debate!
Posted by NowJewSeeMeNowJewDont 8 years ago
NowJewSeeMeNowJewDont
You Baby killing IDIOT! And I bet you wish that we could save the environment too. You would rather save a tree than save a life you ignorant fool.
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